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[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

With Trump's new port fees on LNG,oil, coal and container ships, along with The Saudis and OPEC+ absolutely demolishing oil prices it would be extremely stupid to waste money on developing the oilsands right now. There's no money to be made.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

I think that the scale of investment involved in oil sands development necessitates MUCH longer range planning than relatively short political cycles.

There's may be something to be said maximizing CAPEX when the commodity pricing sucks. Spending pullback from the more boom/bust centric conventional/frac operators reduces competition for trades and key manufacturers.

I think the differentiator at the moment is the lack of predictability. Normally your financial models only have to factor in modest price uncertainty. Right now the tariffs change so quickly that who knows what things will cost. I don't have a clue how you price a project in this environment. I pitty project managers.

Steel plate and pipe is easy to source domestically - especially when the US buyers aren't tying up Evraz capacity. Big inch valves would start to get tricky I think - but it's been over a decade since I was working in that space. Coatings are Dupont and 3M for buried assets - so lots of risk exposure there.

Personally, if I operated any major facilities (fractionation/refineries) I'd be looking at what turnaround/maintenance work I could be pulling forward right now. When oil's booming, you don't want to shut down your money machine to do repairs.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Now might be the best time to build our own refineries.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago

This is what I don't get about Alberta. They've always been talking about the oil sands and exploiting their resources, yet why are they always satisfied with simply pumping and piping? Why has there never been a voice for making local refineries so that they can jack up the prices of their tar sands? Why have they been satisfied being used like a third world country when they're always being compared to Texas, that has most of the US's refineries. Why are they happy feeding Texan refineries instead of selling refined products to the entire world at several times the current prices?

Hell, not only raising export prices, but adding a massive number of local jobs as well, instead of giving away such easy jobs to a foreign country? It's not like you need an army of university graduates to operate a a refinery. Most of the jobs there only require a slightly higher level of education as for the tar sands.

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