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At the risk of sounding callous, since a life lost is sad, it was their choice.
Article says that its been 2 deaths in 10 years in a country of over 320 to 340 million+. If those two deaths had happen in 2025 alone, the absolute risk of anyone dying, vaccinated or not is about 0.000000589%. Now divide that risk over 10 years and even compensating for a smaller US population, we are now talking astronomically small.
Like, if someone is worried over those odds then they would not be able to move or exist, rationally. Sometimes people have bad luck. I come from a 3rd world country and when I asked the parents, they said that measels was never seen as a serious disease by anyone in the aggregate. So to me this whole story comes off as a bit like fear mongering due to orange man bad.
To be fair. I wanted to look for any studies re: Vaccination risks, if out of sheer Scientific curiosity. And surprisingly, there seems to be a lot of reluctance in people wanting to do solid, well powered research on this topic, outside observational studies. But found one in the internet archive. Feel free to take a look, the scope was 2 years and obviously pre-Covid. Certainly wish there were more or better studies. These are not just for the MMR shot:
Death - Adverse Events Associated with Childhood Vaccines - NCBI Bookshelf](https://web.archive.org/web/20190310003733/https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK236284/)
"VAERS began operation in November 1990. By July 31, 1992, there were over 17,000 reports in VAERS, almost 11,000 of which concerned vaccines covered by the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program. Of the total number of reports, just over 2,500 of them were considered to be "serious," which is defined as the following: the patient died, suffered a life-threatening illness, or suffered a reaction that resulted in, or prolonged, hospitalization or that resulted in permanent disability."
Sorry, what do you mean their choice? I hope by them you mean the parents, because the poor girl had no chance.
For as far as the info available, I would say that yes, it was the parent's choice. I get it. Some may disagree with me and that is fine. People are allowed to disagree with me.
Closer to where I live we have some Mennonites and they chose to not vaccinate either at all, or at least only the ones that are far more serious. I doubt they may say no to a rabies vaccine. That's my guess, though.
It is their choice. Not going to march into their communities and call them all a bunch of idiots. They are all adults and parents. I have no right to tell them how to raise their kids, small risk or no risk.
You're not wrong. The parents chose not to vaccinate, and vaccines almost certainly would have prevented this outcome. Where I'm struggling is the "serves them right" attitude when it wasn't the parents who paid for their mistake- it was a small child with no say in the matter. It's possible to feel anger towards the parents (though it doesn't change anything at this point) and still have empathy for the actual victim.
There is no 100% to know the outcome of a "what if." The vaccine could have given her side effects, serious ones, as per the study I sourced, the vaccines may have not helped. People still do die from diseases they have taken shots despite constant PR against that notion. The third leading cause of death in hospitals in the USA is medical malpractice as per one review, that's at lesst 25,100+ people, others put it at around 4%, or 30,000-40,000 , yet another equally weak one puts it at least 1% of total deaths. Point is that those are absolutely huge margins to be wrong in and not have a better idea but you are never going see a hospital hanging a banner with those facts, and next to no one wants to take the time and seriously look into it. Partly because of the fear that they will find a fairly accurate number that is bad or out of fear people will stop going to hospitals if results ate not great in the aggregate.
The above the best reasoning to remaining blind about perhaps some uncomfortable facts. But this happens in medical science and research a lot more than what people are aware of. Lots of conflicting interests.
Up here in Canada, death % in soecific hospitals are public, so you could technically pick and chose a better hospital if you have enough data and now how to interpret it.
Throughout history hundreds upon hundreds upon hundrends of millions of people had measels and moved on with their lives as if nothing. People still do today, outside the West and some do die. We do know that she died, and it happens. Millions die every day. Or, she could have been fine, or the reason she died is that she had some subclinical issues that they were not aware of. We would have to wait for the report.
I am apathetic about it, I wish them neither negative or positive vibes. One can assume that they are heartbroken that their child died, but it happens. They took a risk and they lost. I do not know who they are, or their situation or beliefs so I am not going to project my biases onto them. I would say, in my opinion that having a "it serves them right," attitude toward complete strangers that we have 0 info on them is patronising if you go around telling people outside echo chambers. But hey, I am not going to tell you what to feel or not. It is your choice. I would argue that having a lost child can be perceived as usually a devastating happenstance, to callously say that are not "paying" for it, seems like projecting on your part. Personally, I do not know, so I am not going to pretend that I do.
In real life, having freedom of choice in things means that those actions have consequences. Sometimes outcomes are great, sometimes outcomes are terrible. I would say that them living with those may be sufficient. Guess that coming from a third world country that has gone through a civil ear makes one a realist or pragmatic about the reality of choice. I would still rather have a choice than no choice. Just like I would not go to someone else's country and tell them how to live their loves, despite that I could certainly have some private opinions on it.
I fully get why you feel bad about the girl, though. But I also get that people are allowed to do choices and live or die due to the consequences. You want to vaccinate and take one every other week? tlThen do it, vaccinate your plants if that makes you happy. But we have no right to tells other what to do.