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https://www.hyundai.com/worldwide/en/brand-journal/heritage/heritage-series-grandeur

We’re celebrating the 35th anniversary of our 1986 Hyundai Grandeur flagship sedan with an electrifying retro concept. With an electric powertrain and all-new light and sound features, the Heritage Series Grandeur will seduce you with its ‘80s nostalgia, cutting-edge technology, and luxurious interior.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (4 children)

Ok, I love it, clearly this thing is a futuristic love letter to the 1996 and older lincoln town cars, the best 'Murican car ever made (from before the U.S. auto industry stomped the face of U.S. autoworkers even harder, these cars were obviously made with a fuckton of pride and practicality in mind).

In the episode of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine where they show the Bell Riots in Star Trek timeline 2024, the car that the rich tv executive who totally falls for Dax has is a jet black Lincoln Town Car... he doesn't drive it himself of course, this is 90s U.S. wealthy people, he had a DRIVER.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQ4vQgN_vZE

Edit This is a cool rundown of the pre-1997 Lincoln Town Car

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axmLMLwPJ6o

Also gives me strong Buick GNX vibes, the other best 'Murican car ever made.

https://youtu.be/kIPU4TLDyRw <- this is a good rundown of the Buick GNX

I know some of you might kind of hate american muscle and luxury car design and that is fair, but one thing to note here, both of these cars were relatively light. The gas mileage on a 1996 lincoln town car really isn't that bad compared to the much heavier lincoln town cars (think 2000s era U.S. cop cars and taxi cabs) that came later into the 2000s and into SUV hell. The Buick GNX is a high performance sports car, but it had a v6 tuned for maximum power, not a v8 because v8 cool big and loud.

Both of these represent increasingly rare displays of the kind of unique brash things U.S. culture could make that would be difficult to imagine anywhere else making quite the same way, that somehow managed to not be totally undermined by shockingly incompetent and ignorant rich men. Also it represents the opposite of that too, that in the realm of ideas, everything is always in conversation nobody truly owns anything and anyone can make anything if they have the vision!

Nice job Hyundai, honestly sick car.

Edit just got a Hyundai ad immediately after writing that, nope, back to Fuck ALL Car Companies, that was a nice little mental vacation I suppose even if it was short

https://youtu.be/kIPU4TLDyRw

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Anyone who doesn’t love the Grand National needs a smack with a spanner.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I don't like them. Then again I like Trabants, Rover Metros, series land rovers and zaphorezyets.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

I like them for the same reason I like those guys too - I’m a big fan of cars whose designer’s main weapon was the ruler. I’m also a big fan of notch-backs for some reason, which I blame on anglias

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

To your edit - does Google know your Lemmy account? I have kept mine out of Google's sight, never logging in on Chrome; not using Gmail in my accounts, or did you do a search that have them the hint?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago

I searched in google i think

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Thank you for this comment. It was very insightful. I’ve also never seen the Buick GNX, it looks really cool. Not sure how I’ve never come across it.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

That thing is fucking insanely fast too, it isn't a muscle car, well it is in terms of power to weight ratio and ability to put wayyyyy too much power and torque into the rear wheels to be rational it is, but it isn't an unwieldy tank like true american v8 muscle cars are.

McLaren started with the Grand National's turbocharged and intercooled V-6, which already produced 245 horsepower (or more, but 245 is Buick's modest claim), massaging it until 300 horses showed up on the dynamometer. The modifications are straightforward hot-rod stuff: ported and polished heads, a larger turbocharger with a ceramic turbine wheel, a dual exhaust system, a recalibrated PROM (programmable read-only memory) chip for the engine-control computer, and an insulated intercooler outlet tube, which keeps the temperature of the pressurized air from rising after it leaves the intercooler. Maximum boost has been increased to 16 psi, two more than the Grand National's allotment, but a circuit in the engine-control computer still shuts off the fuel flow at 124 mph. The engine has enough grunt to push the GNX much faster, but Buick engineers feel the chassis wouldn't tolerate much more speed without taking to the air like a Frisbee. The rest of the engine has been left untouched, a testament to Buick's confidence in the soundness of the basic design.

Oh look damn, it is automatic, I guess it isn't a real sports car right? Especially an automatic transmission from 1987? The thing is the way the turbocharger is tuned to SLAM torque into the wheels at low rpms a manual transmission clutch would be fucking toast wayyyy too quick. We are talking drag racing magnitudes of torque/acceleration potential, not normal race car amounts. The automatic transmission is a design choice to allow this thing to be a cruise missile especially at 90+mph. I can definitely see the concern with this thing just being so powerful with so much torque available even up to very high speeds compared to its weight that it just takes off like a frisbee lol.

0-60mph in ~5 seconds, ok fine, fast but nothing extraordinary especially nowadays, but the low 13 second quarter miles this thing can throw out in a near stock Buick GNX speaks to how fast this thing really is. The basic car is still just a buick regal, so yeah it doesn't handle incredibly, but also it is a very straightforward platform to modify to make it handle better. Modified GNXs can do muchhhh quicker quarter mile times.

https://youtu.be/kIPU4TLDyRw

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Man, $250,000 for the one in the video. It’s a beautiful car though.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago

Definitely not worth that, that is museum price lol

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

looks more like a Toyota Century to me

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I mean, definitely, I wasn't trying to say this was exclusively a reference to those cars only that the reference is there.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

it's just very funny to read a take like "obviously this is a tribute to 90s american cars" with massive amounts of detail, when the asian manufacturers have been building these luxury barges for domestic use since the 70s

very amerikapilled for a sopuli user

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

I have stated multiple times the influences on this car I am pointing out are not exclusive, so this is a waste of time to respond to, but I do find it hilarious that you think this car doesn't reference at least the lincoln town car, we are talking about an era of car design with influences going in all directions, you are making an absurd argument to suggest that I am saying this is exclusively a 'murican thing.

This concept car is CLEARLY heavily influenced by the pre 1997 lincoln town cars.. which were also influenced by lots of asian cars, I mean I don't even like U.S. cars, I have never bought one and likely never will lol so it is funny that you are interpreting me being excited about a concept car from Hyundai as trying to claim it exclusively as a U.S. thing.

Also, I am from the U.S., and these types of cars are everywhere vs. I have definitely never seen a Toyota Century, so like yeah... I don't mean to make this a U.S. centric conversation but rather point out connections to the culture/landscape I grew up in. The lincoln town car and cars like it were the grandpa car when I was growing up, I am sure you have grandpa cars wherever you live and they are probably a different type of car. Growing up as a USian I never thought of these cars as anything more than grandpa cars, but they are actually pretty cool and I was trying to shed some light on how these cars are more interesting than they seem especially if you don't know much about U.S. cars to which I think the images I pasted clearly suggest an aesthetic link with this concept car whether it is direct or indirect.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

maybe it's my view that's eurocentric! this form factor was never popular in europe, so we never saw them except as imports.

but like, an asian company building a car that's a throwback to their history as an automaker is quite obviously primarily influenced by their own cars, and cars produced in their area. hence, the Century. No shade on you, obviously, you write very well and structured your post amazingly. it's just such a common trope.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

I understand, I am sorry I didn't mean to be defensive, to be clear, this isn't just like a U.S. thing, there are whole major influenes to this car that I don't know that well either because I know the U.S. import equivalents less well or have never heard of the cars that never made it to U.S. shores.

I understand what you are saying though, most of the time when someone is talking like I am talking they are acting like you thought I was acting lol, point taken there.