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[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

I did not claim it was scientifically proven. I claimed the evidence contradicts your implication that electronic note taking is functionally equivalent to note taking. (i.e. handwriting notes aren't magic)

The findings involved 14 studies combining 3,075 participants demonstrated that using electronic notetaking methods reduced measured outcomes (average r = −.142). Using the Binomial Effect Size Display, results indicated a decline of 25% of students scoring below the mean when electronic devices when compared to using handwritten notetaking. 1

I was attempting to somewhat steelman your argument by using the nuance and complexity that often comes with research to show that there are caveats. You have an out. You could still be right. I expected someone named it_depends_man would be able to appreciate my nuanced approach. Please don't mistake my embrace of the ambiguity intrinsic to scientific research and progress (things are rarely proven outside of mathematics anyway) as logical inconsitency.

If there are, however, big logical gaps please do point those out. I genuinely would love to learn how I am wrong or ways to improve the way I reason.

Did I, at any point, suggest that students shouldn't take notes? Because I don't think I did. I think I said

No. I didn't say you said that either. I take notes electronically and physically. I understand the use cases of both. I never said don't use a laptop or electronic notes.

It literally legally isn't in my country..

Cool! Legitimately. However, the author of the article is clearly from an American University so we need to discuss from that context.

We’re also an NCAA Division 2 school...

Country context is critical because the claims he makes or issues he brings up may not be applicable to every country's student body.


Please don't be sad. I assure you I'm not stupid and my critical thinking is above average - if only just barely. I'm not appealing to my authority. I'm appealing to the authority of scientific literature. Where I freely admit I'm not equipped to robustly get into a debate about the scientific rigor of an individual study.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago

I’m not appealing to my authority. I’m appealing to the authority of scientific literature

Yes. I know. That's my point. This is what that looks like:

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/1041794X.2020.1764613

That source you linked isn't publicly accessible. You are supporting your perspective and this particular point, with a source I can't even read. That is the authority I'm supposed to respect? We're not even getting into the validity of the actual point!

A system that behaves this way, can't be interacted with. And not because I don't want to and not necessarily because I'm incapable of doing it (illiterate, don't read), we won't find that out in this case.

And then there is this professor who keeps wondering what's wrong and "no of course he's not sharing his slides".