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"This is not an educational system problem, this is a societal problem. What am I supposed to do? Keep standards high and fail them all?"
(hilariusbookbinder.substack.com)
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So it is scientifically proven. Except for the big exception that IT DEPENDS. So it's not actually proven.
I...
This is why I am sad.
Are you being serious, here? Do you understand the problem with the argument you made here and with how you made it?
""Tldr; You completely missed the author’s point, which only reinforces his point that students are illiterate and don’t read.""
Well, do you? Read this again.
Did I, at any point, suggest that students shouldn't take notes? Because I don't think I did. I think I said
"Taking notes on a laptop is normal."
What am I supposed to do with this whole thread? After that garbage tier argument, why would I take anything you say seriously?
Appeals to authority work, when I can see, understand and recognize that you are capable in your subject matter and worth listening to and learning from. What you demonstrate, is that you don't give shit about different perspectives, different tools, AND you don't hold yourself to the same standard of demanding attention to detail.
It literally legally isn't in my country, in my country teaching comes first, but I recognize that this may be different depending on the country.
I did not claim it was scientifically proven. I claimed the evidence contradicts your implication that electronic note taking is functionally equivalent to note taking. (i.e. handwriting notes aren't magic)
I was attempting to somewhat steelman your argument by using the nuance and complexity that often comes with research to show that there are caveats. You have an out. You could still be right. I expected someone named it_depends_man would be able to appreciate my nuanced approach. Please don't mistake my embrace of the ambiguity intrinsic to scientific research and progress (things are rarely proven outside of mathematics anyway) as logical inconsitency.
If there are, however, big logical gaps please do point those out. I genuinely would love to learn how I am wrong or ways to improve the way I reason.
No. I didn't say you said that either. I take notes electronically and physically. I understand the use cases of both. I never said don't use a laptop or electronic notes.
Cool! Legitimately. However, the author of the article is clearly from an American University so we need to discuss from that context.
Country context is critical because the claims he makes or issues he brings up may not be applicable to every country's student body.
Please don't be sad. I assure you I'm not stupid and my critical thinking is above average - if only just barely. I'm not appealing to my authority. I'm appealing to the authority of scientific literature. Where I freely admit I'm not equipped to robustly get into a debate about the scientific rigor of an individual study.
Yes. I know. That's my point. This is what that looks like:
That source you linked isn't publicly accessible. You are supporting your perspective and this particular point, with a source I can't even read. That is the authority I'm supposed to respect? We're not even getting into the validity of the actual point!
A system that behaves this way, can't be interacted with. And not because I don't want to and not necessarily because I'm incapable of doing it (illiterate, don't read), we won't find that out in this case.
And then there is this professor who keeps wondering what's wrong and "no of course he's not sharing his slides".