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[–] CheeseAndCatsup@lemmy.ca 53 points 11 months ago (4 children)

It will be a shit show until Canada and the rest of the western world work out agreements independent of the US.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 23 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Isolating a fascist power with the strongest military in the world doesn't work. Eventually they work up the balls to use it.

Every nation should be prepared for what happens when the purge of the US military and government is complete and only loyalists hold power.

[–] slickgoat@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago

Given that there are no ideal moves in any direction, I feel that standing up to the bully is the only option on the table. They failed to do that in 1939.

[–] slickgoat@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

And another thing. Its America's job to police this mess, they installed him either directly or indirectly. The rest of the world didn't ask or vote for this dangerous toddler.

[–] LeFantome@programming.dev 8 points 11 months ago

It is still the right thing to do. As you say, we just all need to be prepared for it.

[–] seejur@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

What happens if a NATO country Attack another NATO country?

[–] freebee@sh.itjust.works 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

No joke, I can see UK and France offering nuclear retaliation response promise to Canada, outside of NATO. I think trump really is dumb enough to start real war with for example Canada. NATO is dead, rest of the west needs to make similar protection agreements without USA, besides NATO , for when shit really hits the fan (I think it will, it's a matter of when, not if).

[–] Pringles@lemm.ee 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Well, article 5 doesn't apply then. Other agreements may still apply.

[–] itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Of course it applies! Where are you getting that it doesn't from?

[–] Pringles@lemm.ee 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

From article 5 from the NATO treaty actually. It states that it applies to attacks from external actors, i.e. non-members.

Edit: the article or nato treaty doesn't state it that explicitly actually. But a quick google show that it's at least the consensus interpretation

[–] Tja@programming.dev 19 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Over here in the EU we still need gas and oil. I'd much rather import it from Canada than from Qatar or some other middle eastern dictatorship.

[–] Alpha71@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago (1 children)

We're already doing that. EVERYBODY is doing that. every western nation is doing their best to cut America out of their trading deals. Donnie has seriously fucked America over.

[–] gilogr@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

They should call it "The Free World Agreement".