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[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 59 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (25 children)

Any dog can snap. So why do we see proportionally more news stories about it happening with a pitbull...?

EDIT 2: So. Many. Downvotes. But not a single comment refuting the statistics with facts and evidence... You're not flat-earthers, right? So don't act like them. Use your brain, not your feeeelings! I love dogs. All dogs. And yeah, if my dog was a Pittie, I would be defensive too, but I would also be honest that people need to take extra precautions...

EDIT: You're literally arguing against facts.

https://www.xinsurance.com/blog/dog-breeds-most-likely-to-bite/#%3A%7E%3Atext=1.%2Csevere+injuries+than+other+dogs.

[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 59 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Because if a pitbull snaps, someone is likely to die.

[–] LePoisson@lemmy.world 42 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Right which is why they should stop being bred. They are more dangerous.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Dogs should stop being bred for certain features period. Beyond aggressiveness, it's just cruel. It gives them years of health problems. Some of the breeds all have the exact same health problem (sometimes it's an inability to breathe properly because of their head shape).

Purebred dogs should be illegal to intentionally breed.

[–] sortaPasswordName@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 year ago

Every time I have to see a spaniel, I cringe. The publicly available data (and videos on the effects of it for the assholes who have to see this shit to believe it) on their brain and skull sizes means that anyone still breeding them is just an asshole.

[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Thank you. This was so obviously my point...

[–] theparadox@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Because their stereotype can attract shitty owners who want a badass dog but can't be assed to train or care for them.

Or they literally abuse, possibly even with dogfights, and abandon them.

[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Occam's Razor: They are known for being more dangerous because they are more dangerous.

EDIT: So. Many. Downvotes. But not a single comment refuting the statistics with facts and evidence... You're not flat-earthers, right? So don't act like them. Use your brain, not your feeeelings! I love dogs. All dogs. And yeah, if my dog was a Pittie, I would be defensive too, but I would also be honest that people need to take extra precautions...

[–] moonpiedumplings@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Abuse and mistreatment can play a large role in a dog’s aggression, and pit bulls are often subjected to such conditions. In situations like this, dogs learn to be aggressive and will bite humans as a result. However, studies have shown that pit bulls’ aggression is largely due to their living conditions, and they aren’t necessarily naturally dangerous dogs

While many pit bulls can be held responsible for dog bites, it’s also worth noting that their reputation makes people quick to blame the breed. Other dog breeds have similar physical features as pit bulls, so people assume that’s what they are.

From the very article you linked in the other comment.

Don't talk facts when your source refutes your claim.

[–] curbstickle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Because most people can't identify one and use it for any mid size dog.

See: Rottweiler, doberman in previous years.

Edit: that includes cops. Same thing applies to police reports. Guess what insurance adjustors use as part of determining insurance rates?

That isn't the slam dunk of info you think it is.

[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

No one said it was a slam dunk? If you won't accept statistics by non-profit organizations trying to provide people with knowledge, facts, and legal info... What would convince you that any one breed of dog is more dangerous than others?

[–] Sunsofold@lemmings.world 5 points 1 year ago

As it does in many other areas, the controversial nature of the discussion poisons the well on sources supporting either view. The days of 'here's a study saying...' being a useful tactic in anything are kind of dead. Most discussions can have reliable-sounding sources to support contradictory points. It gets hard to find the truth about anything without engaging in in-depth meta-analysis, let alone in a place like a comments section under a webcomic.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

That is a very poor argument. Non-profit organizations lie about their statistics and their so-called facts all the time.

PETA is non-profit. Autism Speaks is non-profit. Anti-vax groups are non-profit. All sorts of groups dedicated to promoting authoritarian regimes are non-profit. And they all push a lot of bullshit that they claim to be facts and statistics.

[–] curbstickle@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

What would convince you that any one breed of dog is more dangerous than others?

Pretty much nothing since that isn't how it works.

There are some breeds that require more knowledge, experience, and time to handle properly. That includes the various breeds colloquially referred to as pitbulls, as well as German shephards, mastiffs, huskies, etc. I'd say most breeds with a job need knowledge and attention.

But the "danger" part is an issue with the owner (or previous owner). The only foster dogs I've ever been concerned about have been abused, whether by ignoring them, not feeding them, physically abusing them, or otherwise.

I can say I have a not insignificant amount of experience with quite a few breeds, and I can also say that blaming a breed is nonsensical.

And the only dog in my home right now is a corgi.

Edit: You're clearly interested only in your opinion and not the reality of dog behavior. So I won't bother further engaging with you, enjoy your day. I will simply note that health organizations such as the CDC note these same issues with statistics, and firmly recommend against breed-specific legislation for a reason. That, of course, may change under HHS Brainworms, but the actual data is quite clear.

[–] suburban_hillbilly@lemmy.ml -4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

'Pit bull' doesn't even have a real definition. It's sometimes considered a breed or sometimes a family or class and may include more than a dozen different breeds and their mutts depending on who is counting.

Both the CDC and AVMA say there is no sufficiently reliable source for breed data related to dog attacks.

DogsBite.org literally states their objective is convincing people pit bulls are dangerous and claims they can reliably ID a breed from a photograph.

So go pound sand with that 'facts' horseshit.

Even if we wanted to ignore those problems and take it seriously as a source, it completely neglects the only relevant question of the proportion of dogs within a breed that attack. Without reliable information about the sizes of the populations of included breeds, the chart is useless.

Real research on this exists.

CONCLUSION Maulings by dogs can cause terrible injuries47 and death—and it is natural for those dealing with the victims to seek to address the immediate causes. However as Duffy et al (2008) wrote of their survey based data: “The substantial within-breed variation…suggests that it is inappropriate to make predictions about a given dog’s propensity for aggressive behavior based solely on its breed.” While breed is a factor, the impact of other factors relating to the individual animal (such as training method, sex and neutering status), the target (e.g. owner versus stranger), and the context in which the dog is kept (e.g. urban versus rural) prevent breed from having significant predictive value in its own right. Also the nature of a breed has been shown to vary across time, geographically, and according to breed subtypes such as those raised for conformation showing versus field trials.37 Given that breed is a poor sole predictor of aggressiveness and pit bull-type dogs are not implicated in controlled studies it is difficult to support the targeting of this breed as a basis for dog bite prevention. If breeds are to be targeted a cluster of large breeds would be implicated including the German shepherd and shepherd crosses and other breeds that vary by location.

[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Weird, every researcher seems to use this same term.

So go pound sand with that 'facts' horseshit.

Oh, those pesky """"facts""""! You don't like my sources, that's fine. I included 8 more in my other comment, starting with Wikipedia:

https://feddit.nl/comment/15554133

[–] suburban_hillbilly@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The only reputable org having a likely informed and less biased conversation about real research on that list is the AVMA which states in the link you posted:

In contrast to what has been reported in the news media, the data from this study CANNOT be used to infer any breed-specific risk for dog bite fatalities...

Note that the emphasis was theirs.

While I suppose it is possible that one of those lawyers from the other links has done a responsible job of representing the facts and isn't just an ambulance chaser, you clearly didn't read your own sources, so I don't see any reason to waste my time on it either.

[–] Cataphract@lemmy.ml -5 points 1 year ago

Jesus that's sad. Everyone holding your hand trying to walk you down this path of actually learning about how research and science is performed and how to look into a source and you still just decide to spew nonsense.

I hope you learn to walk on your own one day. Don't stop reading and looking into sources just because you found something you like. All of your shit is crappy research that the authors conclude is bad data. It's why the precious dogbite.org focuses on a 1970-99 cdc study, a media review study for statistics slaps forehead.

It's obvious this meme brought in a lot of people who love to classify "undesirables" and a few willing to put up with the misinformation to actually try and teach someone how to do proper research without just "believing" from a few misquoted or misguided articles. I saw at least one person doing the work and realized your links and claims were bullshit so something was accomplished I suppose.

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