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Is that even legal. That’s some fucked up shit?
I’ll only allow people to study in the country if they don’t object to Genocide? What the fuck?
Oh Hun, where we're going laws don't matter
Is it legal? No. Will it be stopped? I am not holding my breath.
Yes. The narrow case is that if you express support for a designated foreign terrorist organization that is grounds for denying your visa, or revoking your status. So if you are on a student visa and went to a protest wearing a hamas headband and carrying the flag then you'll end up on a plane out of the US.
Where it gets iffy is the question about people who showed up to a protest and didn't know or see or agree with the hamas flags being flown there
Despite the Zionist rhetoric, Hamas != Palestine.
Saying "The Palestinians deserve to have a land of their own" is not the same as saying "I support Hamas."
Yes, but israel pays a lot to conflate the two.
Just like they try to conflate anti Zionism or anti Israeli genocide or apartheid as antisemitism.
Agree. The vast majority of people at those protests do not support Hamas as an organization and certainly not their methods. I simply believe they'll be accusing people at the rallies that did have Hamas/Hezbollah flags of guilt by association.
He's trying to get foreigners out of the USA and trying to placate his right wing at the same time.
Honestly, I don't think getting a student visa cancelled is that bad. There are universities in other countries eager to accept foreign students and the tuition they pay.
Even China has a huge program to attract foreign students. I know people who studied there.
I'm not sure in the US, but many countries do put limits on what those on certain types of visas can do. That's definitely a thing here in Japan, although enforcement for participating in protests and stuff is generally pretty rare it seems.
You realise I literally voted for Harris right?
Not everyone is a monolith.
I can be pro-human rights of palestinians and still vote for Harris…
Also… your comment is incredibly rude.
Your comment is the equivalent of me yelling at you because you’re white and most white people voted for Trump. Just because I’m pro-palestine does not mean I didn’t vote…
Good. I'd like to be rude to the Free Palestine bullshitters who couldn't rally their cause for Harris. Your subgroup failed us and now we are trapped with Trump.
There are other failures to rally. But Free Palestine was actively protesting at Harris events and breaking unity. And calling Genocide Joe and pushing us to get rid of Joe.
It was incredibly shortsighted for the community to work like this. And now that Trump is fucking those policies up I'll take my time to spike the football on this matter.
Your reasoning here is the equivalent of blaming everyone who believes we need to do more to fight climate change for the actions of some protestors.
Stop using me as a caricature for something I am not. Its quite dehumanising.
No. My action here is blaming Free Palestine movement for their short sighted protests and Genocide Joe memes.
My only hope is that people see that shit for what it is next time and can actually work for more unity in the next election. We have a two party system. Work with it.
Why not blame Biden and Harris for continuing to fund genocide?
yeah folks who could not suck it up and cast one fucking vote wants to blame politicians for not being savy enough with dealing with a democratic process that needs some cooperation from the other party because they think that is so simple. At least they worked to get humanitarian aid and limit the size of munitions going to israel. I hope the folks who don't vote recognize their inaction is ten thousand times more responsible for what we have not than biden/harris ever was.
Yes, blame people who didn't vote for Harris too. I for one did vote for her. One can protest genocide but still vote for the better candidate.
In any case if Biden/Harris had just like... listened to those protesting and stopped funding genocide... then this wouldn't have been a problem.
which is not a thing. congress did the funding. its not so easy as voting. every single person saying things like this if in the position of president would have done a way shittier job.
even without direct control, the president can be vocally against it and can urge Congress to stop funding the genocide. and if Congress doesn't budge then loudly call out those that are blocking it.
What does that do exactly. Its a feel good much like the not voting but its effectiveness is suspect. The recent israel thing is more about netanyahu and certain factions than israel itself. just like the us is not all trump and maga. This was an allied nation that was attacked which given how we were with our allies with 911 it perfectly opened up a, be here for us this is our 911. Biden again did very well. He initially helped as that was appropriate to our relationship and the situation and then he backed off and did call them out but just not with language harsh enough for some peoples likeing. There was a lot of work to try to get aid in and limiting the munition size was a good move. I cannot say for sure but I am 100% sure biden could have used harsher language and not gotten one iota more support from those who say he could have at least done this. He is a pragmatic guy and did actions to greatest good effect he could. Its one reason I found his presidency to be the best of my lifetime. Its because he got so much done despite the adversity on all sides both domestic and foreign. Its also one of the reason trump comes in last. Its amazing how well he fucks things up quickly and consistantly.
Jesus fucking christ. Why not blame the idiots who abstained? We have a two party system, like it or not. I didn’t care for either candidate, but I still voted for the one who was not LOUDLY advertising their fucking fascism.
She literally said we need the most lethal military in the world. Who cares if she wasn't as loud about it? She still supports the empire that is hellbent on slaughtering the world and was unwilling to do anything to actually stop it. Don't pretend voting would save anyone.
Harris wasn't going to go around deporting students like Trump is preparing to do. So eat shit. Trump is about to do Trumpy things, and your "can't see difference between Trump and Harris / Joe" is going to be lost to the winds of history.
Play politics better next time.
Maybe she wouldn't, but she wouldn't do anything to stop the next guy from doing so which is a huge part of why voting doesn't actually matter long term in capitalist society. I clearly see the difference between Harris and Trump but I am arguing that it would not matter because she still upholds the system that creates and enables people like Trump.
Oh, .ml. Got it.
The lenin pfp wasn't clear enough? God you fucking liberals are insufferable. I'm begging you to develop any understanding of political economy. The people in power are the way they are because of the system that made them. Getting rid of the individuals won't solve fucking anything
Save? Who said anything about that. Nice deflection though. It was literally fascism or status quo, and America chose fascism.
The status quo is genocide and imperialism. You only care so much right now because it threatens you. Instead of bashing people for not supporting the imperialist genocidiers how about you stop supporting them. You cannot push democrats left, they only let you believe you could so you wouldn't abandon them. Continuing to support them means lying down while the fascists mow us all over.
Orrrrrrrr we have to work with what we got. What do you honestly think the pro-Palestine protests would achieve? Both parties wholeheartedly support propping Israel up.
This goes beyond my own personal plight. Fascism will come for you too. But don’t worry, people like you voted third party or abstained. You did a good job. You really showed us.
I didn't expect it to achieve anything within bourgeois politics. I expected it to affect the minds and hearts of Americans so that when the fascist did take power they wouldn't see democrats as the fucking solution. The intent was to expose both parties for the sick fucks they are.
I still voted for Harris because my partner was terrified and I hoped it would ease her worries. It didn't matter, and it wouldn't have if Harris won either. You're right, fascism will come for me, I have known this for over a year now and I also know its because I and people like me actually threaten them. Really cool of you to gloat though.
This is going nowhere. Keep pretending you’re doing something.
Yes, blame them too. I did vote for Harris. One can protest genocide but still vote for the better candidate.
Enjoy trying to win an argument next election with your Free Palestine pals all deported.
If you can't push for improvement you deserve it when culture shifts against you.
Does gloating over the victims of fascism make you feel good? Do you like using them as ammo to win arguments? Go fuck yourself
They aren't the victims. They actively participated in hurting their greatest chance at avoiding Trump.
The actual victims I will try to support. But Free Palestine was actively fucking "Genocide Joe", so they aren't a victim at fucking all.
If you keep believing Trump is the ultimate problem you will never see the empire for what it is
If you continue to empower the side making things worse, then things will get worse for you over time.
What makes you think Harris would have done anything to prevent the next republican doing this in four years. What makes you think she would have ended the genocide?
By doing nothing but actively dunking on people who do real work to resist fascism (unlike democrats) you are alligning yourself with fascists. The democrats have no interest in saving us. Please reconsider. I could say the same shit about you breaking unity with the left by supporting genocide but you were never part of it.
Why do you automatically assume OP didn't vote for Harris? In fact, the majority of this community probably did.