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Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy suggested a ceasefire could be possible if Ukraine’s NATO membership is offered for areas under Kyiv’s control, with occupied regions negotiated diplomatically later.

This marks the first time Zelenskyy has hinted at a deal leaving some Russian-occupied territory temporarily under Moscow’s control.

He emphasized NATO membership as essential to prevent further Russian aggression.

Zelenskyy also expressed readiness to work with Donald Trump, despite reports that Trump’s plans may involve Ukraine ceding occupied land.

Roughly 20% of Ukraine remains under Russian control.

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[–] Steve@communick.news 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

That seems totally reasonable to me.
"We'll stop fighting, and let you have what you stole. But if you attack again at all, it'll be a very different kind of fight for you. In the long run, you'll probably have lost more than you gained by pulling this bullshit."

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 30 points 2 years ago (2 children)

No it's not actually reasonable, Russia doesn't deserve to get anything.
But I can perfectly understand why Ukraine doesn't want this war, they never wanted it. It was 100% Russian aggression, and that shouldn't be rewarded, but sometimes reality isn't fair, and you have to make unpleasant compromises.

[–] SkyNTP@lemmy.ml 15 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You are not wrong, but joining NATO is the only way to ensure Russia won't just declare war again. And we have to be realistic here: Ukraine has surpassed all expectations here already. We can't expect this miracle to go on indefinitely.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

joining NATO is the only way to ensure Russia won’t just declare war again.

Absolutely.

[–] Steve@communick.news 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's not about deserving. Nobody deserves anything.
And you perfectly explained why it is reasonable.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Ukraine deserve their territory back, I don't see how anything I wrote says this is reasonable to Ukraine in any way.

[–] Steve@communick.news 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Ukraine doesn't want this war, they never wanted it. [...] but sometimes reality isn't fair, and you have to make unpleasant compromises.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

None of those translate to anything being reasonable. I think you mean rational. As reasonable also means fair.
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/reasonable

For Ukraine to give in is maybe a necessity, that doesn't make it reasonable, because Russia is extremely unreasonable, which is why a reasonable compromise isn't possible.

[–] Steve@communick.news -1 points 2 years ago

Reason ... Able. Something that is able to be reasoned. It has nothing to do fair.

Honestly. Deserving and Fair, are privileged naive ideas to bring to war.