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[–] JayTreeman@fedia.io 0 points 1 year ago (4 children)

In it's 'war against Hamas' Israel has now bombed 3 countries that has no Hamas

[–] AmidFuror@fedia.io 1 points 1 year ago

Possibly because this is retaliation for drone strikes and not part of the "war against Hamas."

[–] JohnOliver@feddit.dk 1 points 1 year ago

The problem with the Israeli attacks i gaza is not the attacks themselves. Israel should have the right to defend themselves on all sides.

The problem is, that in Palestine they are using this as an excuse to kill as many civilians as they can get away with. This is genocide. They are more or less regulating the population of Palestine, and arguing that they in reality are fighting Hamas. The civilians are unfortunate accidents (that more or less keep on happening day in and day out)

[–] homura1650@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

People have been warning from day 1 about the possibility of a regional escalation.

Apparently you cannot spend months acting in a way that neighboors who already don't like you find morally reprehensible without some of those neighbors inserting themselves into the conflict.

The real question is how long can Iran avoid getting dragged into that. And if Iran gets involved directly, will we be able to contain this to a regional war, or will this small decades old conflict between parties whose total population is only about 12 million become the trigger for world war 3.

[–] JayTreeman@fedia.io -1 points 1 year ago

It's less the people and more the trade routes and resources. Some would argue the most important in the world

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Iran has been fighting a proxy conflict against Israel through the Houthis, Hezbollah, and Hamas since 1985.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Israel_proxy_conflict

[–] JayTreeman@fedia.io -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How is a state that's largely funded by another state not a proxy for the bigger state? It's not a Israel Iran proxy war. It's a us Iran proxy war

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Iran has been supplying the Houthis, Hezbollah, and Hamas with munitions, intel, and training to support attacks on Israel.

[–] JayTreeman@fedia.io -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And the US has been doing the same for Israel

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Israel is a sovereign nation. According to international law, they are held responsible for their actions. The same law does not apply to independent rebel groups, putting the responsibility on Iran.

[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If Israel can declare itself a sovereign nation on another peoples land there is no reason rebel groups cannot call themselves legitimate rulers. Anyone can call themselves anything.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There are criteria. It’s not simply self declared.

International law defines sovereign states as having a permanent population, defined territory, a government not under another, and the capacity to interact with other states.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_state

[–] sunzu@kbin.run -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Cute of you to site international law in favour of country that shits on international law after it got its UN approval.

Gtfo

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

You’re heavily projecting. I’m not defending Israel, nor do I support what they’ve done to Palestinians. I’m sharing cited factual information about the legal difference between a group, nation, and country. My opinion didn’t even enter the conversation until you incorrectly assumed what it was.

[–] sunzu@kbin.run -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And I am clarifying to you that Israel doesn't recognize any such laws so they don't get any benefit of them.

It is an illegal colonization program conducted at a gun point with forced removals and genocide.

So we are all clear here.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] sunzu@kbin.run -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Prolly why US population was easily swayed to support this degeneracy

Two wrongs don't make a right and Israel is doing this right now and we are letting them.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I agree that both settlements were wrong. Now that there’s an established system to define nations and countries, I think it’s important to be informed on how it works.

For example, the “favor” Netanyahu does by telling Palestinians to evacuate couldn’t be more corrupt. Since Palestine is a nation, but not a country with defined borders, full evacuation of settled land is no longer under their control and can legally be taken by Israel.

The same is not true for Ukraine, for example. Since it is a country, if all Ukrainians evacuate an area due to Russian invasion, it becomes a Russian occupation of Ukraine, not Russian land.

[–] sunzu@kbin.run -1 points 1 year ago

I am not going to pretend that UN can roll back Israel now. Mostly being cheeky and drawing attention on the international law and how Israel acts.

I agree with your sentiment too but there is no way that anyone can force Israel besides US...

Our regime can't give women maternity leave, I highly doubt they give two fucks about Israel doing a genocide.

By the time they will, gazans will be removed and likely west bank too.

We are past two states solution. Israel won. This is a mop up.

[–] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Technically, Hezbollah is a proxy for Israel.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How so? My understanding is that Hezbollah is supported by Iran, Syria, North Korea, Russia, and Lebanon.

[–] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Most of their money and support is coming through Lebanon. And the Moussad is injecting massive ammounts of graft into the Lebanese government in order to destabilize it.

[–] sunzu@kbin.run 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah Russia does this trick. Ukraine is still funding the war against itself but traitors are able to operate within the state.

This shit is cancer