micromobility - Bikes, scooters, boards: Whatever floats your goat, this is micromobility
Ebikes, bicycles, scooters, skateboards, longboards, eboards, motorcycles, skates, unicycles, heelies, or an office chair: Whatever floats your goat, this is all things micromobility!
"Transportation using lightweight vehicles such as bicycles or scooters, especially electric ones that may be borrowed as part of a self-service rental program in which people rent vehicles for short-term use within a town or city.
micromobility is seen as a potential solution to moving people more efficiently around cities"
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Are there any clear winners in this space to consider? Shopping for ebikes feels like going on amazon to shop. Lots of options of dubious pedigree
Shimano for gearing and Bosh for the motor is my preferred combo in e-bikes. It's reliable and easily serviceable, and parts are easy to get.
I'm looking to maybe get a new bike somewhere next year, since mine is a hand down that's quite old and I want to treat myself. I think I will go with Canyon.
Until the day any of your electronics break and you realize Bosch serialized all of their parts so you are at the mercy of getting it repaired from an authorized Bosch service center at their absolutely ridiculous prices. And once your particular motor gets it's support discontinued you are completely screwed unless someone successfully reverse engineers it
If you care about repairability then the best option is to do a DIY conversion of a regular bicycle, as there are still completely open motor controllers and BMSs available for conversions
I see the root of your point being open source and right to repair, but given the electric assist bike format is a relatively new one, I think everyone here would settle for getting people on two wheels, regardless of form or repairability.
I don't think you know how e-bikes work, since you advice me to build a motorcycle. Don't you think anyone that is able to do it, should be able to order some spare parts and replace them?
https://ebike-doktor.de/shop/index.php
Whatever you get put a suspension seat post on it if it doesn't have one. I'll never ride a bike without a suspension seat again. It's relatively cheap and easy to swap out the post but I'm sure a local shop wouldn't charge much to put it on for you.
I got a Lextric XP 3, it was pretty cheap but it'll get up to 30+mph and can handle well over 20 miles of range if you keep the pedal assist at like 3. I got a second charger to keep at work so I can just keep the pedal assist maxed out and not worry about range. It is foldable but it's a heavy bastard, pedal assist does most of the work while riding but going up stairs is a pain if there isn't an elevator. It also has a fixed seat post with some stiff springs, they do nothing, suspension post made all the difference. Overall i'd buy it again at that price point.
In Europe:
gazelle is solid, but just okay for the price. They generally have very bad shock absorbtion in my testing. Many of them have a fork with no shocks making for an extremely jarring ride because ebikes are heavy.
Norta for great bang for your buck
Flyer for a bit more expensive but very good quality
Riese & muller for when you just have way too much money to spend.
Stromer for speed pedelecs (45kmph vs the normal 26kmph)
Then there are a ton of bikes with the standard Bosche Active Plus (performance is better), 500Wh battery (625Wh power tube is best). They are probably all fine, but use the same parts in general with just a different frame.
Belt driven instead of a chain if you want extremely low maintenance. The cost of a belt replacement is approximately 3x a new chain and the chain has to be replaced 3x as often, so it comes out about the same.
As someone that used to work as a bike mechanic, that's incredibly silly advice. Your local shop should be able to do maintenance on any bike for a fee, and unless they offer some sort of servicing plan, won't do it for free just because you bought from them (unless it's a warranty issue).
I think the bigger issue was more about being able to go local for warranty service, instead of having to ship your bike somewhere far away, which would be costly and be a PITA.
But you're absolutely right about regular maintenance. I gave the wrong idea about the reason in my last comment.
(And now I'm sitting here thinking "omg, I sound like ChatGPT.")
I bought my Aventon from a local bike shop.
A good u lock and a cable for the wheels is enough to prevent theft. Unless you mean there aren't any bike racks to lock to
It takes 27 seconds to cut a ulock with a battery powered angle grinder. https://youtu.be/hjYXD9pyupg
That being said, I do use a ulock and cables when I lock up my bike. It stops opportunistic thieves, but not determined thieves.
I'd like to see someone try this with a Skunklock Chemical lol
uLock New York lock and an air tag hidden under the seat or somewhere else sneaky. Take photos of your bike and serial number. Register it with your renters insurance or homeowners insurance. Park it in public, visible spaces. Go ride your bike! People will steal anything if they really want. All you can do is deter them
Yeah, worry about stuff getting stolen as a reason to not use that stuff is futile. It's only take 3 minute to steal a toyota hilux for determined thieves, if they want your bike so bad, they can break into your garage for it, or hijack it while you riding.
It's all about making it more difficult to steal, not impossible.
Also, with a quality ulock (think ABUS, Hiplock, or even a Skunklock Chemical) it will break multiple cutting wheels before they're able to get through (if they're able to get through lol).
It doesn't need to be unstealable, it just needs to be a pain in the ass to steal, so they will move on to an easier target.
Ohh yes, definitely. Not leaving your bike unattended, even in the best of city, is the basic rule of owning a bike.
Yes absolutely. Others mentioned some of these: Gazelle ( i have one and it's amazing), Riese and Müller, Stromer, Tern, Bulls, Cube, Urban Arrow, and many others. Anything with a Bosch motor is probably worth considering.
Shimano gearing, Enviolo hubs and Rohloff hubs are all good.
Look for a brand and model that doesn't skimp on brake quality.
I'm still in the shopping phase too so I don't have direct experience with this but I've read that sticking with known bike brands is a good policy. Just be ready to spread your wallet wide open.
I also read that for the purposes of getting it serviced, go with a local bike shop. Some will not do work on brands they didn't sell.
Build it yourself. Otherwise prepare to spend thousands. Buying a conversion kit and a lithium battery pack is by far the most cost effective option, and it's not hard to assemble. Swap the wheel from whatever bike you have laying around, attach the battery pack and throttle, done. Takes 20 minutes. ~$500
And personally I've found that beach cruisers make the best eBikes. My initial thought was that a mountain bike would be ideal because it has suspension, but in my personal experience I found that even with suspension, a mountain bike is too hard on your back for long trips because you're constantly hunched over. Beach cruiser is the way to go.
I’m in love with my Brompton I electrified. I can bring it along with me in Ubers and can fit on trains and buses like a dream. I usually don’t need to worry about a bike lock since I can throw it under the table or a chair.