PizzaCake | Bluesky
TW: Sexual Assault
Transcript
7 Panel Comic
Panel 1: White text on blood red background “TW: Sexual Assault”
Panel 2: A guy holds down a semi-conscious naked girl. Her eyes are closed and tear stained. Her mouth in an expression of pain. Around her are more reaching hands.
Jane Doe: This hurts….there’s too many people here…
I can’t breathe…
Panel 3: Beside the girl lays an empty liquor bottle and an empty pill bottle. Hands press down on her head and chest.
Jane Doe: I’ve got the spins
What’s happening
Who’s touching me?
I don’t want to do this anymore
Panel 4: A group of naked men laugh as they enjoy themselves
Jane Doe: I’m scared…
… if I say stop…
…will they get mad?
I can’t talk anyway…
Panel 5: Blood runs between her thighs. Her legs are bruised.
Jane Doe: Ow! Stop grabbing me!
I think I’m bleeding…
…I want to go home…
Just….gonna….shut….down….
Panel 6: The girl wraps her arms around her legs and closes her eyes as she listens to the barrage of insults, vitriol and victim blaming after coming out with what was done to her.
You can’t cry ‘rape’ whenever you regret sleeping with someone!!
Bitch
Maybe don’t hang out with guys!
Your fault for getting drunk!
Whore
You said yes at first! You can’t take it back!
Why didn’t you push them off?!
Slut
She just wants money!
Stop trying to ruin their lives!!
Attention seeker
Panel 7: “Why are they mad at me?”
I am going to preemptively say that if you decide to comment and say anything remotely victim-blaming or stir up any drama against the artist or fellow community members, your comments will be removed, up to and including being banned.
Please consider using the spoiler markdown if you feel the need to go into detail.
We are all adults here, and can objectively (AND RESPECTFULLY) have difficult conversations when needed. Not everyone has the same experiences, nor the same reactions, and their traumas are very real regardless of what you may see or know about them.
I think there needs to be a space between the 3 colons and "spoiler": https://join-lemmy.org/docs/users/02-media.html
While it does seem to work either way on default LemmyUI, it might not work in some clients, including official Jerboa Android app.
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Bad textYou can't really say you want to encourage difficult conversations while at the same time threaten to just block and ban people. That's not having a conversation. That's just surrounding yourself with people who only share your opinion. Even if your opinion is probably the moral one.
Not every statement is valid as a discussion, imo. Victim-blaming does not seem like discussing anything, and feels to me like those statements about every opinion being valid and then trying to justify something wild. A bit like ‘scientists don't know everything, so my flat earth theory is also valid’
Pick a better analogy. Only idiots believe in a flat earth because we've seen pictures and videos and have absolute evidence that the earth is not flat. Saying the earth is flat is like saying rocks aren't hard.
In order to be tolerant, you have to be intolerant of the intolerant.
That’s why it’s ok to punch nazis.
Believe it or not, yes I can, and I will. As for what I’ve seen so far, most all comments are in line with being both respectful and thoughtful. This is the type of discourse this topic deserves. There have been one or two comments that fell out of scope and they were dealt with accordingly. This is how moderation works.
I'm sure it has been that way. You prefaced it with banning anyone who'd say otherwise.
If I said “This comic sucks, the linework is terrible” I have doubts the mods would come after me. The specific issue was “victim blaming”, and the mod was specific.
It’s a bit like using slurs, or claiming the holocaust never happened. Such comments are wrong, never add to discussion, and usually come from someone that wants to see a reaction.
So, you’re saying you want to have an aggressive, screaming match focusing on blame-throwing towards victims instead? I mean, you do you, but I’m pretty sure you could just go to Xitter for that.
Opinions are fair game. Attacks are not, that's what moderation is for.
I don't think that's a good way to proceed.
You might be blaming victims of false allegations of rape with that, and trust me, I know well how it feels to be raped and to be a victim of false allegations, and both are equally horrible and damaging for anyone who has to live with them.
Please elaborate on what I said that falls under victim blaming?
Edit: I want to make sure I’m clear: I am genuinely interested in what you have to say and I will listen.
Well.
That's because most victims of false allegations have it nearly impossible to even report it. Let alone proving it, that's even harder.
Now, most of persons (mostly women, because it's other story for men, we're considered the de facto criminals unless proven otherwise) that do false allegations, use these tactics: they give consent and after the act they revoke it and cry "rape", because they know they'll be automatically believed by most people. That's in part because of the "Women-are-wonderful" effect. And most of them do that because of two principal reasons: vengeance or free money (remember that there are programs to help people that suffer abuse, and they then abuse of them making false claims).
Now, take into account that most people takes these things (like telling them not to destroy other people's live, or that they just want free money or attention, or that they can't regret afterwards and claim rape as if it were nothing) like rape-denialism and victim-blaming, and trust me, I know that's in part justified, I'm well aware of DARVO strategies that actual sexual abusers can make and that a lot of victims aren't heard because of that... But people who do false claims also use DARVO strategies, they're abusers too although of another type, not sexual, and not every time that someone claims to be abused it's true that they were abused.
It's a hard situation without a clear solution, but this is won't help it to be better.
Imho false allegations should be punished the same as rape (only in cases when it can be proven without a shade of doubt that it was false and intentional). Not only because it ruins the life of the accused, but because it makes all cases of rape harder to prosecute. We should completely eliminate "she's making it up" from the equation.
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Like, they're making it harder for actual victims, and limiting the resources they can access to.
This is often why when I first hear an accusation of rape, My first thought is: “Well, shit. Someone’s life is ruined.” I don’t know who, immediately; the leaning is very much towards the accusation being correct. But I reserve full wrath of judgment until some circumstantial evidence can support it. Sadly, I know we usually won’t see 100% undeniable smoking gun evidence.
We did in the case of Cornell, which made all controversy fucking disgusting.
Rape shouldn't be used as a punishment. This is directly supporting rape culture. Stop wishing rape on others.
You are justifying rape.
Extend it to downvoting ;)
People are free to express their opinion using downvoting. However, if anyone feels there may be vote manipulation, then by all means ask and we can look into it.
You think the user is a moron?