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a million pieces/segments sneering at hasan piker and the co-chair of the DSA, meanwhile a republican congressional candidate in upstate new york named peter oberacker is the grandson of an actual nazi germany soldier and his former staffer was part of the 'i love hitler' young GOP group chat
You’re repeating the “clean Wehrmacht” myth. It originated within the German army during the war, and was further spread by the Americans at the Nuremberg trials, and subsequently, to prop up West German military legitimacy during the cold war. It was not until after reunification that popular attention was drawn to the deceit.
In fact, soldiers were amongst the most fervent Nazis, and had committed many war crimes and crimes against humanity, including willing participation in the Holocaust and the extermination of the Slavic peoples.
For example, the majority of all German soldiers in the Eastern Front actively participated in mass murder and mass rape, sometimes with a whole army unit participating in the latter. So that’s most of the 10 million Wehrmacht soldiers on the Eastern Front, itself the majority of the 18 million who served in the war altogether.
Thank you for giving me something to search. I'll look into it. It's hard to know something when you don't know it.
"Clean Wehrmacht" is a myth, your position on the other side is "Sippenhaft". People didn't exactly have a choice to join the Wehrmacht (unless you consider it a choice when the only alternative is suicide), nor did they have a choice on which front to end up. They did have mostly a choice to join the SS though.
You found all sorts of people in the Wehrmacht. Those who hated the regime and the war but liked to hang on to their life, those who were indifferent, you had opportunists and you had dyed in the wool supporters of the regime and the ideology. I am pretty sure one of my grandfathers was on the one side while the other was on the other. The one who prayed for his own side to lose ended up in a Russian gulag, while the other had a relatively easy time in a British POW camp. Life isn't fair.
It is a pity, no one here is actually explaining what is so terrible about my comment above.
The Wehrmacht was not some innocent organisation, it was the army of the Nazi regime, a draft army, inherited by the state that the Nazis took over and transformed into the army of their genocidal imperialist regime, as such it was of course also a pillar of their regime. For Americans to maybe get an understanding, the right question to ask in this regard is not what you would think about members of ICE but what you think about members of the US army that were drafted into the Vietnam war, with their units involved in war crimes. That is a poor comparison as the Wehrmacht did way more horrible things on a much bigger scale but it is a less flawed comparison than thinking about ICE, which really is not an army but a SA like mob with only voluntary members.
I am nowhere defending that Oberacker. He sure sounds like someone who would have loved to be in the shoes of his grandfather and that is something only a Nazi would think.
too many acronyms all up and down the thread. not your fault my brain is numb. South Africa? Sturm...Arb...needentolernenmasdeustchen?
Sturmabteilung. Hey, its shorter than many English words, and given that it translates to "storm department", "ice" sounds rather fitting.
I knew it wasn't Sturmwaffe, although that would have been a cool name, the stormwaffles, i just remember they had a seeming obsession with the word storm. i get it, some words and phrases are cool. they roll off the tongue nicely. like cellar door. velvet elvis. nazi pulp.
It is a cool sounding propaganda term, they certainly did know their propaganda stuff. I honestly don't know how that "storm" naming came to be but in German you you have the word "stürmen", which does translate quite directly if I am not mistaken, as in "storming Congress". I heard Maga knows a thing or two about it.
Now that I think of it I am not sure they were named after a storm. "stürmen" means moving rapidly into something and "erstürmen" means conquering/taking hold of something. "Sturm" is merely the noun for that. The weather phenomenon is rather named after that, than the other way round.
There is also the cultural epoque of "Sturm und Drang" btw (which had nothing to do with Nazis and predates them, emphasizing emotion over rationality in art in the late 18th century), which is also not about storms but about pressing forward. Maybe taking hold of something.
it's about beating your spouse to the fridge and getting the last of the bacon fried rice for breakfast dammit.
i wanted that rice. i'll win that race one of these days.
I am not sure fried rice was a big thing in the 18th century Holy Roman Empire. ;) Sturm und Drang was also something that rather intellectually inclined young writers from the upper class were into. Goethe for example. They probably did not even race for a Bratwurst.