cross-posted from: https://sh.itjust.works/post/65235734
On August 8, police arrived on the scene of Long Branch Lagoon Water Park in Dodge City, Kansas, to the sight of three self-described “bearded, burly men” who had been in the women’s bathroom and changing area. The manager of the municipally run property allegedly screamed and rushed children out the door.
The men knew this was likely. They didn’t agitate any of the women; they didn’t remove their clothes or make crass comments. They simply used the gendered spaces that the state of Kansas requires them to use by law, because these men are transgender.
“Supporters of SB244, including Attorney General Kris Kobach and Senate Majority Leader Ty Masterson, billed it as a way to keep men out of women’s spaces; it clearly requires some men to enter women’s spaces,” a press release sent to news outlets reads. So, these men took action—using malicious compliance to prove their point.
“Segregating people by suspected genitalia does nothing to improve public safety; it does quite the opposite by opening Kansans up to sexual harassment and discrimination. At no point should anyone be asking anyone else what genitals they have in public.”
The men, dressed in yellow “Compliance Crew” shirts, were part of a small group of trans-masculine Kansans who used the women’s room at facilities across the state that day in a coordinated action. They were also spotted at a zoo, a library, a museum, and other parks. They were in Emporia, Great Bend, Garden City, and Dodge City. At the library, at least one patron complained; at other places, the men used the bathroom and received dirty looks, and simply left the space without confrontation.
But at Long Branch Lagoon, members of the Kansas Compliance Crew resorted to having to describe their genitals to police in order to resolve the matter and avoid arrest.
“The men had a discussion with the manager and police and explained the situation, including uncomfortable descriptions of their bodies,” the press release said. Furthermore, both the manager and the police reportedly said “they had never heard of SB244 nor been notified by any government entity of its passage.”
“I could easily continue using the men’s restroom under the radar,” said Ray Vieux, who participated as one of the demonstrators.
Do urinals tend to stink more?
I feel like people flush less because after the pee drains out you can't see it any more, despite it still being there in the trap.
Some autoflush periodically or when you open the door.
Nah urinals don't smell worse than standard toilets.
That's not my observed experience.
Piss-soaked floors smell worse, but that's not a urinal problem per se. The steel/porcelain unit itself does not hold odor and even low-flow flush styles effectively clear liquid waste. But there are bad geometries that create splashback, drunkenness and social causes of bad aim, and business staff stretched too thin to adequately attend to the bathrooms.
And as someone that has been paid to clean toilets, all of the worst messes I've seen have been in the women's stalls.
Are you really suggesting that the addition of a urinal to a non-gender specific toilet would make it smell better ?
I'm aware that I'm not the one you're talking with, but not necesarilly, you're making a straw man fallacy and a non sequitur fallacy.
The fact that he, with his empirical experience, noticed that most messes were on female toilets, don't automatically mean that adding urinals is "less smelly". You're just mixing pears with apples, as they're independent variables that, at much, will stack one on top of another, not cancel with each other.
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If only there was a single device that could act as a receptacle and disposal for both pee and poo.
You didn't understood me, what I was trying to say is that he never stated directly that urinals would smell better, only that urine in the floor smells worse than both toilets and urinals, and what I meant with "they stack one in top of another" was not about urinals and toilets, just about the variables. And it IS a straw man because you're using a weaker version of their argument by responding to something that they did never said.
If they are cleaned regularly, I don't think it's a problem, but auto flushers would be a solid choice. Bathrooms in the smaller gas stations along the interstate, not the truck stops, often have the worst bathrooms. You'll smell stale pee when you walk in, and it may be from the urinal, but it also could be from any other surface in there. But really, a light auto flush and regular cleaning will mitigate any stink, and if it didn't, the smell is still probably better than the aforementioned piss covered toilet seats.
I go snowboarding in Colorado every year, and in the lodge at the top of Keystone I think, they don't have flushers. Not sure how it works, but they don't stink. Somehow they're engineered to be okay without them. I've also seen some bats will just dump a bucket of ice in the urinals that melts over time.