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[–] LadyButterfly@reddthat.com 49 points 4 days ago (9 children)

I can't fathom how anyone is against free healthcare. CHILDREN have to go without healthcare FFS CHILDREN. How can anyone justify that?

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 31 points 4 days ago

I don't have kids so why should I pay for their healthcare

That's how they justify it. They're fucking ghouls

[–] abigscaryhobo@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago (2 children)

The problem is there's a false scarcity. Healthcare is expensive for people in the US right now, so the idea of paying for someone else's healthcare via universal healthcare doesn't sound like a good thing, it sounds like taking the money you need for your healthcare to pay for someone else's.

It's NOT like that, but people have it in their heads that it is. And it's very hard to change a made up mind when there are people rallying against it to protect their own private interests.

[–] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

That's no reason to not have universal healthcare.

Sure, some people think as you describe, but they are the minority. We're supposed to be a representative democracy.

  • 90% of Democrats want universal healthcare. (30% of voters)
  • 70% of Independents want universal healthcare. (40% of voters)
  • Even 40% of Republicans want universal healthcare. (30% of voters)

(many polls, pick your favorite)

bOtH pArTiEs think otherwise, unfortunately

[–] abigscaryhobo@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

Oh no I totally agree with you. Not saying it justifies it or even that the math makes sense, but it feels that a lot of times when you have people who dissent against universal healthcare the reason I stated is why.

[–] PhoenixDog@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

They believe rights are a pie. And if someone else gets a piece of that pie, they will somehow end up with less pie.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 15 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Even within free market logic free healthcare just makes sense. It enables people to more comfortably quit their job to start a business or take any better job. It also allows people more freedom to choose medical professionals based on their merits rather than on who their insurer says they can use.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It's also cheaper for everyone, and results in much better outcomes on average. It's truly win/win/win.

The only losers would be the insurance companies that would no longer exist. And fuck them.

[–] hovercat@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 4 days ago

The stupid thing is that even this isn't necessarily the case. Even in countries that have public healthcare, there are still private options for those who want "fancier" care. The true statement is that they would only be able to rip off the wealthy, instead of everyone in the country.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago

Even within free market logic free healthcare just makes sense.

It doesn't make sense because it doesn't maximize the short term profits of a health care business.

It enables people to more comfortably quit their job

No American capitalist wants this.

You can be hired. You can be fired. You can't go around quitting without your boss's permission.

[–] aphonefriend@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 4 days ago

That's long term thinking you fool. How does that help my next quarter!? Think of my bonus!

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago

I can’t fathom how anyone is against free healthcare

"We CaN'T aFfOrD iT! wE wIlL rUn OuT oF mOnEy!"

Every fucking time it's suggested. Every fucking time, you get some clown screaming about how it costs too much and it will bankrupt the country and how health care will go away if you try to federalize it.

And under this government? Maybe they're right. Maybe American business leadership would just rip the wires out of the walls anyways. Look at what UK politicians have done to the NHS, ffs.

It's very possible that Americans don't have access to health care because we are simply too greedy and cruel and stupid as a population to value it above carpet bombing the Global South.

[–] kylie_kraft@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago

"protect the children" mfs when children

[–] MashedTech@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago

Children can't work. So they shouldn't get any benefits actually.

[–] CADmonkey@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago

The issue really seems to be old people. And where I live it's a whole lot easier for old people to vote.

[–] Noodle07@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

They dont care 🤷

[–] dethedrus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 4 days ago

Because to them, the fight against the Others is so profoundly tied to their core identity that they would choose a rapacious trillionaire or low rent pedophile mob boss to lead them despite OVERWHELMING evidence either would gladly see them dead for a nickel.

Anyone not of their inner circle (church, Trump worship, family of they accede to the previous conditions) are the enemy. And they don't deserve even basic human rights. Unless they're a zygote/fetus, in which case they get a pass until birth.