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Hey, please don't add substantive additions to a message after you sent it. I had missed your updates.
I stand by what I said - type 2 diabetes is extremely expensive and is driven by the hyper-vegetarian food environment the world finds itself in. Yes a whole food plant based diet is less likely to develop T2D, but there are still fat vegans, so its not a guarantee.
Yes, people should not be afraid of meat and they should embrace it has a health tool.
I disagree with your premise - right now 20% of the world calories from from animals, with human ingenuity we can increase this... but the real plague is metabolic impairment and while carnivore is probably the single most power tool here, it isn't the only tool - getting most people into a low carb or ketogenic state is going to be a massive improvement, and carnivore as a health tool can be used for people who still have issues (mostly gut issue, autoimmune, etc)
Where did you get that number? Our world data says it's more like 5%.
Honestly, do you think 5% sounds anywhere near accurate? Does that reflect your observations as a human? The people around you? Please apply some critical thinking to the things you read
It's hard to decide just based on my observations. I've travelled quite a bit.
In the west we can easily see 20-40% of calories coming from meat. But many people in the east like China and India eat meat only occasionally—like once a week.
So who knows it probably brings down the average to 5%?
One problem with the our would in data graph is its calories from protein. Animal sourced foods include fat too, which is actually the bulk of the calories.
Honestly, lots of our world in data graphs are problematic, I wouldn't recommend using them as a primary source.
But yes, 20% of human energy is derived from animal sources (well 18% but 20 is easier to say), africa the least as you surmised.
https://doi.org/10.1080/23308249.2022.2124364 - Contribution of Fish and Seafood to Global Food and Feed Supply: An Analysis of the FAO Food Balance Sheet for 2019
The ecological devastation is coming from mono-cropping.
How is a cow eating grass, churning the soil, fertilizing the soil - destructive? This is how the soil was created in the first place.
Why are farmed fish and poultry ok but not ruminants? Ruminants have a super power - they can eat food humans can't eat, growing on land that can't raise human crops, and turn that into human usable fat and protein!
Not really, it's a highly processed food composed of many things, but a mega-dose of seed oil (which is very not good for health).
Why? People need to be health, meat is a super health food. People need to have a optimal metabolism, carbs and processed carbs and seed oils are antithetical to that. Healthy people eat less food, can eat local food that doesn't need to be shipped around the world, and don't need expensive chronic medical care.
Oh I agree, you absolutely can do plant based keto, and that is much better then SAD (standard australian diet). This entire conversation is a huge WHATABOUTISM - remember the post is about the health benefits of eating meat.
I think you will find the keto / zero carb communities extremely science based - self experiments, empirical validation, actually reading the literature.
Any change from the standard diet is a improvement. Our schism is over red meat .My understanding is I made a post about red meat being great, and we are talking about side things because in your estimate the world can't afford to provide meat for everyone. You have said some negative things about keto but haven't made your own dietary choices clear. Your advocating for a anti-red meat solution (which might include keto, you left the door open).
Please stop adding content after you sent a message, I didn't see your update -
You ABSOLUTELY will not develop type 2 diabetes eating zero carb.