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The ecological devastation is coming from mono-cropping.
How is a cow eating grass, churning the soil, fertilizing the soil - destructive? This is how the soil was created in the first place.
Why are farmed fish and poultry ok but not ruminants? Ruminants have a super power - they can eat food humans can't eat, growing on land that can't raise human crops, and turn that into human usable fat and protein!
Not really, it's a highly processed food composed of many things, but a mega-dose of seed oil (which is very not good for health).
Why? People need to be health, meat is a super health food. People need to have a optimal metabolism, carbs and processed carbs and seed oils are antithetical to that. Healthy people eat less food, can eat local food that doesn't need to be shipped around the world, and don't need expensive chronic medical care.
Oh I agree, you absolutely can do plant based keto, and that is much better then SAD (standard australian diet). This entire conversation is a huge WHATABOUTISM - remember the post is about the health benefits of eating meat.
I think you will find the keto / zero carb communities extremely science based - self experiments, empirical validation, actually reading the literature.
Any change from the standard diet is a improvement. Our schism is over red meat .My understanding is I made a post about red meat being great, and we are talking about side things because in your estimate the world can't afford to provide meat for everyone. You have said some negative things about keto but haven't made your own dietary choices clear. Your advocating for a anti-red meat solution (which might include keto, you left the door open).
yes. beef cattle graze for most of their lives, before being grain finished.
That is the sustainable way to raise ruminants. Factory farms (both animals and crops) are not sustainable, and need to change.
When discussing plant based protein you NEED to account for bioavailability and liebig's amino acid barrel. You have to eat a huge volume of food to get protein in the right amounts
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I made a post about the healthiness of meat, you are on a huge WHATABOUTISM crusade. WE are not talking about the same things, because you keep moving the goal posts. I admit right now only 20% of the global food supply is animal based, that is no reason to give up on red meat - the single most valuable and useful food source on the planet.
Don't forget the current mono-cropping is unsustainable and requires huge fossil fuel fertilizer inputs. This population bomb hysteria isn't productive, and doesn't move the conversation forward in how to improve human health.
Lab grown meat isn't a panacea, we don't know how it interacts with humans. If your referring to plant based meat analogs they are terribly unhealthy and won't work towards human health.
You have not demonstrated the health improvement on plants, if you have read Dr. Ede's article this post is about you will see why that isn't likely.
Please read the "The Great Plant-Based Con" by Jayne Buxton