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Changing Your Diet Is 'Number One' Way To Help The Planet, Woody Harrelson Says
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I hate this argument. I was vegan when I was living off $10 a week. I was vegan when I was in the homless center.
I cried my first night in that shelter. They provided dinner, it was cheap box mac n cheese, some meat I forget and broccoli, I started crying, a hormonal nursing mother, the cook noticed. He let me swap the meat and cheese for extra broccoli and there was always apples and oranges in a bowl for folks. Fridays, they let us bring in our own food and use the kitchen, once they set me up with food stamps, it was game on fridays for me.
I was vegan for my poorest years. Before being at the shelter, in them $10 a week days.. Not proud of it, but I stole zuchini from a farm stand once. took three of them, I was truly starving. One day later, I saw random cans of tomatoes on the sidewalk in front of a church, took those too. made a nice meal I hadnt had in a while.
I ate can veg and beans as meals. I ate plain ass noodles with salt, I ate weird veg mashes I got from the foodbank and just threw it all in a pan with some rice.
Desperation teaches you many things.
No I couldnt afford vegan products, vegan meat or cheeses, but anything marked vegan is going to have a jacked price. The entire produce section, and a lot of the tinned section, the whole pasta section, is all vegan without having the little V printed on it.
Learning to cook is the way.
In fact I stumbled on veganism because I legit wanted cake, but had no milk, eggs or butter. Was too broke to buy them. I found a recipie for "Depression Cake" and that was my first vegan meal I ever made myself intentionally. I got into vegan baking, because it was cheaper. Then I just gave up all meat, and eventually cheese, because it was cheaper. Thats why I started, to save money. Then I started reading about factory farming practices. Dont watch Earthlings while nursing a newborn. Dont recommend, but that film changed my life. I was already plant bases (I always consumed local honey seasonally tbh) but Earthings solidified everything.
Ten years ago, it was like vegan food (dry beans and sacks of rice) was practically free. I didn't even care that I was poor. Everything is hard, now, even getting cheap dry beans and whole grains.
there any cookbooks/similar you'd reccomend?
I learned from my gaurdian growing up first, and then watching tons of early '00 Food Network. The only cookbook I have is Julia Childs, which Im not sure Id start with that. And if you are a noob, I absolutely recomend videos over books or written recipies. There are thousands apon thousands of cookbooks. Some folks Ive seen recomment Salt Fat Acid Heat often, like often often, ive never read it, but could be a start.
This series is good (maybe) for someone starting out. Jacques Pépin Cooking At Home YT
I also like the Post Punk Kitchen for vegan stuff: https://www.theppk.com/recipes/
I have found this website helpful for more vegan meal ideas as they are just tradional recipies that happen to be vegan: https://bakinghermann.com/ The Assasins speghetti is very easy and fun to make
Since im just shamlessly plugging, I speak very minimal Spanish, but I have learned a lot recently from this creator, that is when Im not drooling over her kitchen set up(shes not vegan just fyi lol) La Herencia de las Viudas Youtube
The question I should ask is, what kind of foods do you want to learn to prepare? How much do you already know? What ingredients do you have easy access to, and what your kitchen is equiped for? Do you want to bake a dessert or make a main meal?
There are so many places one can start.
I dont recommend a book, I recommend a 10" cast iron, a wooden spoon, and an internet connection, I jest in part, you'll need a least one pot too ;)
Literally anyone wants help learning, I can do my best. If you can tell me what youd like to make, I can help. If one was in my kitchen asking, I'd absolutely start with some simple pasta dish. Fresh tomato sauce was the first thing I learned, but tastes and regions are vast.
Edit: and you can make fresh sauce with tinned tomatoes. They dont have to be fresh tomatoes truly. Budget is also a massive factor, there are so many different ways to go about cooking within your budget.
You may hate the argument, and I get that too, but many people just don't have your level of knowledge. Many men I know for example, literally wouldn't even know how to operate a stovetop. I'm not even trying to make the point that it's the most common situation to not have a possible way to being vegan, I'm just trying to make the point that it is ludicrous to suggest that everyone can "EASILY" go fully vegan today. That makes so many assumptions that don't fit the lives of many people.
Everyone can learn to read.
Everyone can learn to cook. Some need guidance. I try to help folks where I am able in this, in my daily life. Help your homies learn to cook.
We get no where on our own.
See, this is exactly my point. No, they absolutely cannot. Over half of adults in America are functionally illiterate. I'm close to someone who teaches middle schoolers to read who struggle, usually with a combination of horrible educational background, low income situations, intellectual disability, or hardship caused by having to flee their country of origin, for their own safety.
Even if we had universally offered free classes to teach reading and cooking (we don't, not even close), there still would be many people who wouldn't even be able to take advantage of them, for various reasons.
What I'm really arguing here is against the absolutist attitude. It's just not helpful and it sets you up mentally to be even more disappointed in people than you'd be without the attitude...
Edit: the fact that this comment is getting downvotes tells you all you need to know about why people have to choose veganism in spite of your horrible messaging about it, and never because of it.
yes they can, with help.
with help
What the fuck is it, to each ones ability and each ones need or some shit.
Help. You, person here, should help.
I dislike absolutist attitudes too. Its just, just help.
edit, my neighbors mow thier grass to dirt. Shoulda seen this fuck yesterday across my street creating a dust storm just so he could sit on a tractor with a beer. This doesnt mean I do the same. Do you, in whatever ways you can, to be a helper. I literally sat 8 feet from a bunny hiding in the shaded tall clover while I swear this bun was watching this fool with me.
I mean even that's not true. Probably 98% could learn these things. 2% is not zero. In reality though even if a much greater number of volunteer teachers existed, we'd still end up with an even more non-zero number.
this just seems like negative thinking, wrapped in realism, while I, an idealist, dream of hope.
Some folks cling to hope, some except reality as hopeless.
I lived in a world of realistic optimism where it was possible that maybe ya know, up to 10% might vote for Donald Trump. Like 35% of eligible voters chose him and most of them still would even after he's hurt them directly. And I started off "more negative" than you are now. There's being optimistic and then there's being mad at the world for not being perfect.
Im not mad the worlds not perfect. Acceptance of such is difficult, for me it was anyway, but that non perfection is why I make the actions I do.
Each action, if even small, makes an impact.
The bunnies wouldnt have breakfast If I just gave up and mowed my lawn to dirt like all my neighbors. Instead esch year, little by little, I watch my yard for native plants and encourage them to grow where they stand. I did plant a ton of non native clovers, but also leave the leaves and try and support life in my yard. My neighbor thought he was being nice when he mowed my yard with his, the first week of May, Ive asked him not to in years past, but he did it anyway assuming thinking it was nice. I cried. I fucking cried.
I cant fix the world. I can try and make the small differences where I can. Thats it. I forgot where this all started, being vegan when poor yes? Why does one need to be a perfectionist in this? I never was, still am not. I know there are many out there who are ..uh, severe in there opinions on veganism, Im not that. Do you remember when "Meatless Mondays" were a thing? I feel, even if you reduce your intake of animal products, it is a win. Who cares if some person online trys to call you some names cuz you got some chicken from the food pantry and decided to cook it. I dont.
last bit, and caffine ramble over, I have never been religious in any context, but for a couple years I rented a room from a Jewish family in my youth. They kept kosher, and invited me to many of thier meals. I became good friends with the son, and he answered all of my questions. I learned in that time, that according to their religious law, if a person is in dire need, starving, has no other choice, its okay to break thier kosher custom by the relgious law and it doesnt give shame for doing as such.
I liked this a lot. Its reasonable, understanable, and forgiving. I apply this thinking to veganism too. or more simply, being plant based, or reducing one meal of meat a week with a veg dish, is all great and good.
Every little bit counts, to me. What can I do about billionares? not give money to their companies, but not much else I fear. So we do what we can to help the world be a better place, in whstever small ways we can.
I appreciate the story and that you're not like two of the other commenters who couldn't wait to fight me.
The truth about that is "most people". The same way if someone flips you off while driving when you didn't even do anything wrong, that is offensive. The same as the other day when some asshat made a bad driving decision and took it out on me yelling "hurry it up" while I was (already quickly) crossing the street. It matters how people treat others when they're trying to take a moral stand.
As it happens, I know a lot about veganism and I've thought a lot about it. For about 12 years now I've reduced my meat intake. I've backslid slightly but for probably 5 years I probably was 90% vegetarian. Now I'm probably at about 60-70%.
If I truly was just now thinking about it for the first time, the original commenter I responded to would've driven me far from having a desire to become vegan. They were insanely rude and self righteous and distorted facts to the point where it's accurate to call some of their statements lies.
The only reason I even commented to begin with is they said anyone can "easily" reduce animal suffering in their lives to "zero". Which is just flatly false. So I challenged it and I wasn't rude about it. Which was...not rewarded.
There absolutely is in western culture at least, a correlation between affluence and avoidance of animal products. It's the reason you're gonna find like 2% of the population as vegetarians in the tiny town I'm from, while in NYC it's probably like 25%. Screaming at people condescendingly, using phrases like "you have the flesh of innocent suffering in your teeth" is not helping anyone. Telling people they can easily change their entire lives, implying it's only their moral failing that they haven't yet, is not helping anyone.
I'm sure you get a lot of this, I'm just explaining why this thread had me in the mood that it did. The other commenters were shitty and dismissive and honestly, lying. Partly an "Internet person thing" and partly a unique "self righteous vegan thing". I've tried to live in a way that minimizes negative effects on others as well. We need more people doing these kinds of things, not people getting screamed into a guiltfest (doesn't work at all anyhow) if they haven't started yet.
no I completely agree with you, and I thank you for writting this out. I agree some of the rhetoric isnt helpful, why I try to combat that. Guilt tripping does not work, for nearly anything, its not gonna work to force folks to be vegan. Education, being informative, and peaking folks curiosity, will help them form thier own opinions on how to move through life. You cant force choice. If I could force choice Id never see an amazon truck on my street again, but I cant, so I just sigh and move on. Acceptance of how things are.
Thanks for being reasonable. I actually was on bluesky for half a minute when it first came out, and fed a troll talking about veganism acidentially. They poised their question from seemingly a place of honest curiosity, and then got vicious in the comments with me. I got off that site just because of that final straw interation. I dont mess with people who hold this, as you said, self righteous "Im better than others" opinions. Its harmful to movements and puts more people off, than on.
Again, thanks for being cool, I hope you have a lovely day today!
Thanks for the nice response. Have a great day also!