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It's actually scary how people will never say it but understand perfectly that communism would lead to poor people doing better and that they will absolutely never allow that to happen.
lol this was a perfect opportunity for the school to teach about the dangers of populist liars but they bottled it
communism is nice on paper, not in real life, because people suck. China is not truly communist.
It's always China this Soviets that with the fucken examples. No one ever fucken talks about the Yugoslav mixed system, Communalist towns, Black Ukraine, or even when Syndicalists took over neighborhoods. Just as capitalism can range from late merchantslism, social democracy, and laze fare so can socialism or communism.
Well, we don't live in the magical realm of wonderful smelling farts and platonic forms. There's no true capitalist countries and no true communist countries. Reasonable people know how to read from context. When we talk about communist and capitalist countries, you know damn well what we're talking about.
There are no communist states anywhere, because Marx defined communism as a classless stateless society.
It would be wrong to pretend that there are currently any large scale "communist" societies in the world, the closest would probably be smaller communities like the Zapatistas or Rojava. Soviet style "communism" has always been a bastardization of all actual communist ideas and pretending, that that is the best version of communism that we could get is utterly delusional.
Because at the end of the day, Soviet Russia just replaced the bugoirsie with party officials and it was just red fascism.
There are no true societies.
That doesn't mean descriptions are not useful. There's no such thing as a capitalist society, yet communism's entire foundation is built on critiquing it.
Please elaborate?? If you make claims, that stray far from the understanding of these terms by most people, it would be really useful to know, why you see it that way.
Descriptions are only useful when they tell you anything useful about the things, they are describing. The Soviet Union was neither communist nor socialist, because the workers didn't control the means of production. The state did. This is fundamental to both of these systems. Sometimes, false labels can also be harmful, because they give the other person a false idea of what you are talking about. For example, it would be wrong and also really bad, if you were to describe the Nazis as socialists, just because they were called the "national socialists".
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Yeah have you seen how much the state sponsored agriculture, scientific research and medical research has helped poor people in the US? Not to mention the government food and shelter provided by the military. Imagine if it could be extended to everything!
If successful all but the wealthiest would be better off, would they not? Are you thinking of the "communism" that happened in the Soviet Union.like?
im not discussing economics in this place anymore, it’s pretty clear you guys are always talking about capitalism as a way to say America, and communism to mean whatever random notion of socialism you dream up that definitely hasn’t been tried before
Well you are in the clear as this
doesn't count as fucking discussion anyway.
I always wonder why one emoji isn't enough. It's always spammed in multiples of 3 or 5, as if they're cloning themselves. One gets the point across just fine.
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🤣 there is plenty of other communism is great circle jerks around here, I'm sure you'll find one where everyone agrees with you shortly
I'm not even a communist. I just try not to dismiss people with an attitude like that.
As you said, sometimes it's not worth engaging, but... you did, and were a jerk about it.
If you can't acknowledge that maybe, just maybe, the poor and downtrodden banding together to advance their own interests might improve their lives, I dunno what to say. That it might not? That they'd just be stopped? That human nature will prevail and tear it all down?
Maybe. Might be worth trying. I know that's a pipe dream, and so do you, but let people have their goddamned dreams. Maybe someday they'll turn into something more.
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Then why bother commenting at all?
Because they like the smell of their own shit I bet
I get the bitterness, communism has struggled. But it's not the only "not capitalism" option either, a lot of people here are straight up anarchists. And that definitely hasn't been given a fair chance, no nation can tolerate it!
If both MLs and capitalists hate anarchists, they must be up to something good
you guys are easy to trigger
I live in Australia, I'm one of the wealthiest people in the world just by owning a house
My life is amazing
Communism sucks
Don't worry Komrade, we mean real Communism not corrupt Oligarchy Russia.
https://politics.stackexchange.com/questions/79130/communism-in-the-soviet-union-china-etc-wasnt-real-communism-is-that-tr
Yep real communism hasn't been tried so your ideas are technically all hopes and dreams
And then people wonder why actual economists think communists are a joke
Did you mean to reply to the guy above me?
What the fuck kind of data contains a GDP for the USSR in 2010?
E: Wait it's you! Thank you again for your insights. I still need to consider the deflationary effects. But also, what the fuck is this data doing after the 90's?
Soviet block and its successor states obviously. Why would you interpret it any differently?
The Soviet Union was not communist, so bad example. I agree with the premise though, I am just saying, that we should be more honest with our arguments.
(If you are wondering what I mean)
Yes, some american economist says so guys, checkmate.
Alright, then let me explain: There is no such thing as a communist state. Communism, as defined by Marx is a stateless classless society.
It was also not socialist, because the workers did not have any meaningful control over the state, which controlled the means of production. Ergo, the workers didn't control the means of production and the Soviet Union can much better be described as state capitalism. It was also fascist.
Championing the Soviet Union as a "bull-work of communism" is also falling for American propaganda, because the US loves to portray the cold war as a struggle between capitalism and communism, which capitalism won.
To be truly empowered as leftist, we need to reject their false definitions and actually try to figure out the truth.
LOL
you certainly didn't fall for American propaganda.
IDK what the people using the idiotic term 'leftists' to describe themselves mean by it, but they usually aren't left.
I think you're far from figuring out the truth.
You are not even gonna engage with the rest of the argument? I think that was the much more important part.
There are plenty of ML's who would gladly and thoroughly debunk your other claims with plenty sources and evidence (as I hope they do).
As it's a good thing to educate people.
But I just pointed to the most staggeringly ridiculous one showing you're pretty far gone.
You need a lot of work and studying.
Too early in the day and too hot, I have other work to do.
Then why even argue online if you are not gonna substantiate any of your claims?
MLs are idiots and leftism would be so much better of, if you people stopped pretending, that you belong to the leftist movements. You embody no real leftist ideals and just fell for the propaganda like everyone else.
you made the laughable claims.
And you can shove your infantile pseudo-leftist up your ass.
You're a clown. But no surprise since you're a germ.