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I mean...
There's completely painless ways to die.
That's what the whole assisted suicide thing is in civilized countries.
The "problem" is, that's completely painless, you just go to sleep. And the people who want this, want it to be a painful gruesome death.
It's not justice or even removing an uncontrollable element, it's vengeance. And vengeance has to be painful.
There's nothing stopping an ethical death penalty except the ethics of the people implementing
And the "can't take it back" aspect. Conviction and execution of innocent people does happen.
For Republicans this is a feature, not a bug.
I mostly am just against the state having the right to kill.
But innocent people being killed is definitely a top list issue.
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This comment implies that the method of killing is the fundamental ethical problem with the death penalty. The killing part is the fundamental problem for me.
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Yes...
Any discussion on an ethical way to do something, is first predicted on the thing happening.
There's an ethical way to cut aomeone's leg off, that doesn't mean we should cut Bob's leg off, it doesn't even mean we should cut anyone's leg off under any circumstances.
Just that if we were going to do something, there are ways to do that ethically.
People really don't learn this shit anymore?
This argument is specious. It implies that there's an ethical way to engage in any imaginable act and ignores the possibility of the existence of acts which may never be ethical under any circumstance. This isn't a question of whether someone has "learned this shit." You've created a tautology re: the existence of an ethical means to all ends. One doesn't need to accept Kant's Categorical Imperative to believe that some acts can never be ethical.
Name 1, and I bet I can justify it ethically.
Like, "if you don't do ____, then superman blows up the sun" is the obvious one, but depending on what you say, I can dial back some.
Trump fucks kids, go.
On the other hand, there're good, ethical reasons to cut off Bob's leg sometimes. If you hold the view that there's never an ethical reason for the state to execute someone, then by that definition all those killings are just some varied degrees of unethical.
A prisoner is suffering and wants to die, their life is a constant pain and keeping them in prison until they die would be torture...
Youd make them suffer for years to only die in prison later?
I guess everyone has different ethical lines...
That’s not a “death penalty” though. It’s mercy killing.
First, I didn't make the argument.
Second, I think most people could draw a line between allowing a suffering prisoner to choose death and forcing it on them.
Third, that assumes that there's an ethical argument for life imprisonment.
Up next, america announces new crucifixion punishment for "politically problematic" prisoners
Relevant George Carlin
The people who manufacture the drugs that make you go peacefully have embargoed the USA, because they don't want their drugs used for state sanctioned murder.
Yeah. If done correctly, a bullet to the head is quick and painless, as in, you are dead before your body has recognized that you've been shot.
But the people who want this want suffering, so likely firing squads will be ordered to hit body parts that will not result in instant, painless death but rather a gruesome and agonizing death from shock and blood loss.