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She's an idiot to think her loss to a convict and rapist was anyone's fault but her own. She'll have even less of a chance against any reasonable candidate.
"I bet you won't vote for a woman!"
... Ok... Do you have any policy positions we should know about?
"You wouldn't vote for THAT guy over a woman would you?!"
Please ... We literally just want healthc-
"LOOK, REPUBLICANS THAT DON'T LIKE HIM!"
As bad as it is, that really should have been enough. But too many idiot Americans failed to effectively vote against Trump; so they are responsible for him. You can cry that she didn't motivate people, or her platform wasn't perfect or even that her laugh was annoying. But whatever. You didn't stop Trump, that's on you.
I mean, I voted for her knowing she was going to lose if that helps you at all. Same for Clinton actually, who ran on an identical platform and lost to the same fucking guy.
It's on the Democrats. for absolutely refusing to run on policy. Twice.
On a scale of 1 to 5, with 1 being "not perfect" and 5 being "What the fuck are they thinking. They don't even pretend to represent us, this is just vile.", where do you rank helping a foreign apartheid state commit genocide?
The criticism isn't about her motivating people. She deserves to be villafied. Her "platform" was disgusting. Stop scapegoating just because the newsletter tells you to.
Not sure what newsletters you get, but please stop trying to project your narrow-mindedness on me.
I would love it if the Dems were to run someone who was actually progressive and took a strong stance against violence. But the billionaire class owns the politicians and the media, so it's literally impossible to go there too fast without a revolution. Too many Americans would be taken in by any media play to villainize a 'communist' candidate. Heck, the reason you hate Harris is partly from the efforts of the right wing media to sow division in the democrats so as to get their tax/regulation reducing guy in power. So we end up with a dem candidate who will still keep the billionaires happy. But it's a simple fact of which viable candidate was better/worse. If you can't see that Harris would have been better than trump by a lot, then you're being willfully ignorant. And there's a whole timeline issue with calling Harris a genocide supporter. At the time of the last election, Isreal was still arguably fighting Hamas who was still firing rockets daily at Israeli civilians after starting the latest escalation in the October attacks. Of course Isreal was committing human rights violations back then, as they have been for decades, but it wasn't genocide by any reasonable definition at that point. Who knows how Harris would have reacted to the increased brutality and clearly unnecessary violence by Isreal? Probably Isreal wouldn't have gone so far because of some pushback from a Harris administration. But there's no way it would be as bad as under Trump, with Isreal basically directing the U.S. military and trump encouraging the complete destruction of Gaza and now Lebanon. So the failure to vote for Harris in the simple choice of her or Trump, is a direct cause of the worst violence against the Palestinians in a long time. Not to mention just about every other issue that failing to reject trump has damaged, from abortion rights, gay/trans rights, brutality against non-citizens, brutality against peaceful protestors, removal of environment protections, removal of healthcare funding, funding for science, funding for education/libraries, relations with international allies, dramatic cost of living increases, etc. All that for some moronic inability to choose the not-as-bad candidate. We need to do better. And if we actually get an election, we need to stop splitting hairs and dividing the left and get back some power so we can then push to clean things up. It's either that or full blown revolution, but we know Americans don't have the ability to do that for various excuses.
Ok
While she was far from being an ideal candidate, and the Dems most definitely fumbled the entire election, let's not forget the massive Russian bot campaign amplified by the clueless tankies, spreading that bullshit "Kamala is for genocide" crap... which was loud enough to turn a large chunk of average voters away from even voting. If not for that incredibly successful propaganda campaign, Kamala would've won, just by a smidge, but she would've come out on top.
She refused to even call Israel an apartheid state, let alone use the G word. She specifically said she wouldn't do anything different than Biden did. That was her position. Can't blame bot farms for her actual position.
Not wanting to say something is hardly the same as supporting it, though, isn't it?
But that's besides the point. The very same people who took her silence as support of genocide, implied that somehow Trump would be better.
But hey, it all worked out, right? Y'all assholes have a clean conscience not voting for someone who didn't say the magic words, because it's so much fucking better right now! Oh wait, it fucking isn't because Trump isn't just dependant on the money Israel funnels into the defense companies of the US, he's literally in their fucking pocket, doing whatever the fuck Bibi wants to get out of jail free.
Perfection is the enemy of good, as this example has shown. Kamala wasn't a perfect candidate, and yes, the Dems should've picked someone better, BUT WAS IT REALLY FUCKING WORTH IT to allow Trump to won just to rub the DNC's nose into the mess they made, and essentially starting WW3 within a year of his election? Does it soothe your soul that you didn't vote for someone you were TOLD by the enemies of your state is a genocide supporter, and by that, allowing someone who directly supports genocide AND raped women - including underage ones - to win? Did you win this fucking purity test? Enjoy it then. Enjoy being king on the hill of rubble. And once the dust settles you can get a fancy pin, showing everyone how you're directly responsible for the shit the whole world is in.
She chose that silence over you, bro. All she had to do was tell Israel to fuck off. Instead, they gave missiles to a pitbull incarnated as a country.
But sure, it's everyone else's fault. Not the ones that were in charge of the country, and the military, and their own platform. Believe it or not, Kamala is her own person and can actually decide to do things, and she still decided to shit all over our hopes and dreams.
You guys treat her like some force of nature or something. Temperature and wind humidity hitting just the right spot and suddenly, Israel gets everything it wants and the election is lost.
Given I'm not even American, nor do I live in that shithole, she hardly chose silence over me. But please go on.
In most cases, sure.
Not when it's genocide. Calling out and condemning genocide should be a no brainer.
That's not how logic works.
Magic isn't real.
And of course I voted for her. Calling her a shit candidate who deserved to loose, because she was too stupid to make a compelling case against a felon and rapist, doesn't imply anything about how I voted.
Again that's not how logic works.
Do you think she won’t be vulnerable to the same strategy a second time?
Please point out where I expressed any kind of support for her running, or where I implied that she should run in any manner or form. Please do.
Because I'm fairly certain I pointed out that she wasn't a good candidate, that the Dems should've picked someone better.
I'm also fairly certain that I made it super clear that the main issue was indeed that she was the main candidate (and that she replaced Biden too late but I think that's obvious). That was deterring enough for most. But even then, there were enough people who would've voted for the 'not Trump' candidate even if it was a literal sack of sentient horse shit, for that candidate to win.
However, your sentiment is wrong here. Absolutely no candidate is immune to this kind of Russian meddling, because no Democrat that would make it onto the ballot would want to upset the moneymen - the people behind the defense companies that make the big bucks supplying Israel with weapons, so that that rogue apartheid genocide state can keep poking its much more powerful neighbours.
The problem is that people seemingly lack critical thinking, and consider Kamala not coming out against Israel somehow worse than Trump directly supporting it. I mean the core of the problem is that the US political system is geared towards a two-party approach, which means there will never be a good candidate for people with good conscience, so it's not about voting for a good candidate, but preventing the worst from entrenching himself as king. But hey if you want that chip on your shoulder that you didn't vote for the one who didn't say the word genocide, and by that allowed the one who will do anything to appease the ones committing genocide, so yay, you did so good!
Are the "tankies" in the room with you right now?
You can say it in less words that you sucked down Russian propaganda so bad, you still haven't accepted the reality of it...
Fuck Russia, Slava Ukraini. Why did Biden and Top Cop Kamala fail to have Trump tried for the treason that he committed?
Conveniently it's always some outside force that causes Democrats to lose, never the Democrats themselves.
talk about not accepting reality...
Yes, users like Ensign_Crab spent all day everyday screaming the "Harris is genocidal" bs every day 2 years ago. And they're still out there all day, every day being a shill for the Putin aligned green party and is remarkably silent on the atrocities of Republicans.
EnsignCrab is still fighting the good fight because people like you are still simping for zionist genociders. You've learned nothing by that last betrayal of the voters and epic failure to win what should have been an easy election. You'll 100% try to lose us the next election too.
And trump being in office stopped the genocide right? That was your end goal, right? To stop the genocide.
Or did the genocide in Gaza worsen and now we're threatening genocide on Iran? Do you think Harris would be vowing to destroy an entire civilization?
My goal was to end the inevitability of this and future genocides yeah. Lets get to universal human rights and destroy those who would oppose it.
Big difference from what you are saying. And you are whining to keep the status quo going.
If the election depends on people outside your base mincing their words about your candidate maybe your candidate just sucks.
Maybe Harris shouldn’t have committed to funding Israel if she didn’t want to be viewed as a genocide supporter.
Cool, so now we have a genocide in Gaza AND we're threatening to genocide Iran. Thats so much better than what Harris was going to do.
What really gets me is that people were surprised the VP of the US wouldn’t be against genocide.
It really speaks to the failure of the education system.
So getting trump elected stopped the genocide, right? Since that is the end goal, the genocide ended. How's that going? I guess now we have genocide in Gaza AND threatening it in Iran.
That’s not at all what I’m saying and you’re just reacting emotionally.
Fine, you got me I'm emotional over 2 US sponsored genocides. That doesn't make you emotional either? That doesn't piss you off that we predictably made genocide worse by letting trump win? Jesus fuck, you want to talk about failing education, how about understanding basic cause and effect?
I’ve been so pissed about so much for so long that making a genocide worse is barely a blip.
At least you're admitting you don't care enough to vote against worsening genocide. Congrats on proving OP's exact point about tankies fucking over Kamala for not being anti-genocide enough and letting trump do turbo-genocide.
You don’t know who I voted for.
And you’re so emotional you’re misreading everything I write.
I dont care who you voted for its the "kamala is just as genocidal as trump" rhetoric that discouraged others from voting. So congrats Kamala lost because she wasn't anti genocide enough and now we have double turbo genocide.
Kamala lost because voters are idiots and don’t understand we don’t get to vote for no genocide.
That’s my entire point.
She was suggesting we carry on with 70 years of foreign policy, suddenly that makes her an outlier.
Exactly. If kids had learned anything they’d know it would take at least another 70 years to change the government’s mind.
So the tankies were clueless and loud enough to turn a large chunk of voters away, but also the Dems most definitely fumbled the entire election?
Which is it?
I just think it's funny how in their version of reality "tankies", a group with zero political representation in America, have any kind of sway over moderate voters.
It's truly QAnon levels of delusional.
A lot of people on many sides are terminally online. If you ask the median voting-age US citizen why they didn't vote, the only answer they can give is "I just don't really care ¯\_(ツ)_/¯"
I choose to read that as "neither party speaks to my situation" rather than the indifference being an accident. There are a lot of reasons to care with how politics affect, well, everything, but that doesn't mean parties are involving the masses. No, they're actually doing an excellent job alienating them.
And that's just the non-voters. The only reason people even vote is to make things less shitty, not because they feel particularly moved by either party, which proves how alienation affects even committed voters.
🌈 Both can be true 🌈
The enemy is both strong and weak, hm?
Let's actually talk through this instead of jumping to accusing me of being fascist. Because I'm betting we agree on more than you think, I just hate the dismissal of the complex factors that caused the shitstorm that got Trump elected again.
Democrats are complicit in enabling genocide in Palestine. Full stop. We should not support Israel, and the fact that that's the default position even in the supposed "moderate" party is an utter disgrace.
That said, it's possible for more than one genocide to happen at once, and I don't think it's unreasonable to say that that's worse than one genocide abetted politicians that are at least more prone to influence from the electorate than the default Republican position of "fuck you if you disagree with us, we'll kill you, too." Now we have open and direct threats of genocide from our own state against Iran, not to mention the trans genocide happening at home.
The "strong and weak" argument does apply to the same people who claim that the Democrats shouldn't have lost but also deserve to lose for enabling Israel. The fact of the matter is it took both for the world's most prolific child rapist to become president. The Democrats had to fumble the bag in the most depraved way possible, and that was openly and actively exploited by foreign actors to confuse voters at home into thinking there was no point in voting. There was, and we're learning that the hard way now.