Let them bitch and whine, so long as the taxes are used for programs Canadians actually care for (eg healthcare) and that's appropriately communicated.

[–] dom@lemmy.ca 1 points 20 hours ago

I typically agree, except that cons are really good at convincing a ton of people to vote against their own best interests.

Like in Ontario.. I'm in a rural area and I hear people bitch about Healthcare and education getting worse, yet they voted for a guy who cuts those things in order to build a highway and a spa.

And guys who very well could do with an EV, bitch about gas prices and bitch about ev financial incentives.

[–] CanIFishHere@lemmy.ca -3 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

Which are also paid by the consumer. Industrial carbon taxes make everything more expensive.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 3 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

You know what else makes everything more expensive? Fucking flood insurance. We've had 2-3 "once in 100 year" floods in my area (not a flood plain) in the last 10 years. That's climate change and it's already causing increased premiums, decreased of maximums, and costs of renovations and flood proofing. Other areas have other problems, e.g., wildfires, heat domes, etc.

So we can either face the reality that climate change adaptation costs money and come up with a way to make the polluters pay for their externalities, or we can all sell our houses to Aquaman.

[–] CanIFishHere@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Taxing food production to increase the price of food is not going to save the planet.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 hour ago

Cool, so let's tax non-food stuff.

[–] dom@lemmy.ca 1 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Everything is paid for by the consumer.

This is why you cant stop at taxing them more. It also needs to come with enhancing social safety nets and services.

Take more money from those who benefit the most economically from society, and use that money to enhance the lives of everyone.

People are less worried about paying 20 cents more for gas if they know they have more than enough to cover everything else. Right now everyone has been smacked by rampant inflation with little wage growth so every extra dollar going out hurts a lot more.

[–] CanIFishHere@lemmy.ca 1 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

You have to grow the economy (gdp) if you want real growth without inflation. It's always easy to say someone else should pay for it, but we do need to ask ourselves what the purpose of government is. The more the government spends, the more inflation we have, especially when it produces demands for goods and services beyond current production capabilities.

So the real solution is for the government to help businesses and industries grow so they can be more competitive, hire more people, grow the gdp.

[–] dom@lemmy.ca 2 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Unless of course the government invests in those basic necessities to keep the cost to consumer low.

Like having the government spend taxes on actual subsidized food production with the goal of it being a service to the people, not a business. Or on housing to the scale where real estate doesn't get out of control due to low supply.

Id rather a world where necessities are cheap and luxuries are expensive than the world we have now where necessities are expensive and luxuries are cheap.

[–] CanIFishHere@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Removing the carbon tax on food production is investing in basic necessities. Lowering the costs means lower prices at the til.

[–] dom@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

No it does not. It means the difference is turned into higher profit. This is what we saw. We did not see the price of groceries going down when thr tax was removed

[–] CanIFishHere@lemmy.ca 1 points 34 minutes ago

The industrial carbon tax hasn't been removed. The carbon taxes placed on food production are still in place.

[–] alsimoneau@lemmy.ca 2 points 13 hours ago

Infinite growth is not sustainable