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Oh nooo, our echo chamber is being invaded by discussion!
Counterpoint: western society itself is a carnist echo chamber. We’re surrounded by their views most everywhere we go. All we want is a little space online where we don’t have to be drowned in it.
Oh, we're drowning.
Does anyone force you to eat meat? Are you offended by the mere idea of a t-bone steak?
If yes to the first: you're an actual victim.
If yes to the second: you're drowning yourself, nobody screams about a genuine carnivorous diet, but I've never seen a vegan who just sits down at a meal and doesn't berate everyone at the table that eats meat.
Fuck this kind of victim-complex delusion.
Bullshit. You're the one screaming.
(Emphasis mine)
Exactly. You didn't see them. They were there, but you didn't notice because they didn't say anything.
No mention of the actual victims of carnist assholery.
Also, you've never seen a vegan who just sits down and doesn't berate everyone?
Yeah, no shit? It's a self fulfilling prophecy; if someone doesn't announce their veganism, then you're not going to know they are vegan. Duh.
Despite being vegan for 6 years, I've never heard another vegan bring up the conversation at any dinner table, with and without carnists. It's always carnists who want to ask questions, and for what it's worth, they've also done so in good faith.
I have shared meals with vegans who don't do what you describe. Almost all of them in fact don't do what you describe
Okay cool, we both have confirmation bias, just because you know some apples are good, doesn't mean the whole batch is.
Just because you have never seen an apple doesnt mean they don't exist is better
I am not confirming anything other than I have a different experience.
I'm sharing an experience for the record that there are vegans who aren't assholes the way you describe them to be as that is an incredibly popular stereotype. An unhelpful stereotype. It also includes that I have encountered your stated experience and not denied that it can be true
I thought it would be helpful for other people to hear that from a non vegan meat eater who has had plenty of healthy encounters with vegans and that just because someone is vegan it doesn't make them unpleasant people the way you seemed to me to be arguing.
Ill be here arguing with people but begrudgingly welcomed while you will just get eventually ignored or banned completely and then you will contribute nothing to the discussion. Which is perhaps for the best then if that's how it turns out. But maybe I'll get banned. Either way It won't really affect me much, but seems like you have a need to scream at people and that seems like it will cause you some personal problems.
Good luck
Since they've been reported for Rule 5 multiple times, I'll note that I've left their comments up because they elegantly capture "this is why everyone hates vegans", "how do you know someone's vegan? they'll tell you", and the inane misconstrual that vegans, not the animals, are the victims vegans are trying to defend, and I don't want the surrounding comments deprived of the whiny context they're calling out. It's always a balancing act of what to do with a vegan bingo caller. Sometimes it's misconceptions from people arguing in good faith; sometimes it's useless trolling; sometimes it's whatever the hell this is.
Wow, three whole paragraphs of 'no u' and 'get banned' instead of just reporting me? You sure you're not the one that needs to scream at something? Get bent, and continue to be a prefect example of why people hate vegans as a whole.
I'm not a vegan. Currently brining some chicken breasts, so that will be an incredibly hard thing to do to be an example of why people "hate vegans as a whole. "
And I had nothing better to do and you keep responding. I'll eventually get bored of you and then forget your existence. Why would I waste mods time reporting you when you are utterly forgettable and don't cause me personally any problems. For what? Being unpleasant? That's shit mods don't need to deal with. If members of Vegan community want to report you I'll gladly support their efforts though. I would even given em a hug, if they wanted one. Simply because I'm engaging with you doesn't mean I actually care about your opinion. It simply amuses me to do so in this moment.
I've never seen a good faith argument against veganism in my life. It's all trolling and tired "jokes."
I don't believe there are any good arguments against veganism, but there are plenty of bad arguments for it.
The only good argument I know against veganism/vegetarianism these days is that meat tastes good. It's the only thing stopping my ADHD ass from taking the time to change my habits.
If "the sensory experience is good" is enough of a justification on its own, then a whole lot of other things are coming along for the ride.
Plant based food is lowkey adhd friendly, way easier to cook, shorter cook times, less concern about food safety (raw chicken and eggs, fish parasites, etc), fewer smells to contain. Also for some reason I've had my tofu go bad even one month afyer expiration date lol
I get the habit thing though. These days I know how to make stuff taste good without animal products but it's a learning process, no one teaches us this stuff because society is carnist. I found that the framing helps, instead of "i need to change this"/" i need to stop this" it was easier to be excited about new recipes and being as budget friendly as possible.
Exactly! It's clearly quite straightforward, cheaper, and doesn't take any more time than eating meat. I'll be there before long. Just got a lot of crazy life things to deal with at the moment, like a lot of people.
I'm at the stage of buying vegetarian meals when I remember to do so and it doesn't take any more bother, which is about half the time. Once my life gets a bit more stable, I'll go vegetarian, then ease on into vegan.
I have a vegan brother who is the best cook I know. He's why I know how good vegan food is, and how I realised that not eating meat is not gonna mean eating boring stuff. It just takes changing the habits, then you're set.
Another thing I know from my brother: everyone needs to know about nutritional yeast, whether they are vegetarian or not. Goddamn that stuff is tasty. 😄
that's cool mate, and yea nooch is king (hence my username 😎 )
For a while I really thought we had left the people like you on Reddit. But alas you have followed us over here like cockroaches to ensure we can't just have a space to exist unmolested by chuds who think they are entitled to have everyone listen to their unsolicited opinions.
This is a public forum which is exactly where unsolicited opinions go. Maybe speak to the community about closing it to non vegans such as women'sstuff closes it's forum to non women. That this forum shows up on browse everything is hardly outsiders fault for encountering the content, and if the content isn't locked down then it's an open discussion.
But I'm not defending that asshole, just discussing how online life isnt always what we think it is. Doesn't mean it can't be, just might take some specific steps and ask some awkward questions.
I'm not a vegan or even vegetarian, doesn't make sense to me, but if I'm not expecting to have someone who is take the time and effort to teach me, the best way to learn on my own is simply be witness to what is discussed so value the content even while not aligning with it.
Then again i consider myself open minded and have always valued education