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Welcome
Welcome to c/vegan@lemmy.world. Broadly, this community is a place to discuss veganism. Discussion on intersectional topics related to the animal rights movement are also encouraged.
What is Veganism?
'Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—as far as is possible and practicable—all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals ...'
— abridged definition from The Vegan Society
Rules
The rules are subject to change, especially upon community feedback.
- Discrimination is not tolerated. This includes speciesism.
- Topics not relating to veganism are subject to removal.
- Posts are to be as accessible as practicable:
- embedded images of text require alt-text
- posts with an image of text should have a transcription in the body or alt-text
- paywalled articles must have an accessible non-paywalled link;
- use the original source whenever possible for a news article.
- Content warnings are required for triggering content.
- Bad-faith carnist rhetoric & anti-veganism are not allowed, as this is not a space to debate the merits of veganism. Anyone is welcome here, however, and so good-faith efforts to ask questions about veganism may be given their own weekly stickied post in the future.
- before jumping into the community, we encourage you to read examples of common fallacies here.
- if you're asking questions about veganism, be mindful that the person on the other end is trying to be helpful by answering you and treat them with at least as much respect as they give you.
- Posts and comments whose contents – text, images, etc. – are largely created by a generative AI model are subject to removal. We want you to be a part of the vegan community, not a multi-head attention layer running on a server farm.
- Posts linking to Twitter/X or any similarly far-right site will be removed.
- No brigading, either off-site or on-site. An incitement to brigade includes two elements: a call to disruptive action and a specific direction outside of this community in which to take that action. Exceptions include:
- Calls to boycott.
- Calls to in-person protest of a government, high-profile individual, or company/organization.
- Votes provided they have a sufficiently broad target audience or provably effective controls against vote brigading.
- Petitions.
- All Lemmy.World Terms of Service also apply.
Resources on Veganism
A compilation of many vegan resources/sites in a Google spreadsheet:
Here are some documentaries that are recommended to watch if planning to or have recently become vegan:
- You Will Never Look at Your Life in the Same Way Again
- Dominion (2018) (CW: gore, animal abuse)
Vegan Matrix Instance:
Vegan Dating App Veggly
Vegan Fediverse
Lemmy:
Mastodon:
Other Vegan Communities
General Vegan Comms
Circlejerk Comms
Vegan Food / Cooking
!homecooks@vegantheoryclub.org
Debate a Vegan
Vegan Food Scanner
Attribution
- Banner image credit: Jean Weber of INRA on Wikimedia Commons
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Vegans: Make a community for themselves
Meat-eaters: See block button. Choose to downvote/comment against it instead.
If posts about veganism are that offensive to you, just block and move on. If there were a com about meat-eating, that’s what I’d do with it.
Okay, all you wonderful, reasonable people, I’m ready for your downvotes!
They hate when others speak the truth, which - naturally - makes them look bad. They can only feel good about themselves if the truth is supressed and never spoken out loud.
The only reason Im here is because i browse by everything and posts in this comm pop up frequently. Same as womenstuff so I get exposed to these posts without making any effort at all to encounter them as non vegetarian.
I don't vote on the vast majority of posts I encounter. I don't care for the voting system but I'll use it if a post strikes me as bad content for Lemmy in general.
I don't care what comm I'm in. Rarely check. I'll engage with content if I have something to say, usually pass without comment. As most people do.
I don't understand why restricted comms even show up for the whole Lemmy to see if they aren't welcome to have all of lemmys eyeballs on them.
People who post content in niche places that are actively hostile to the vast majority of a larger community are naturally going to get massacred in any popular vote. That's just math. And it's a problem because it's content for the wrong audience and just causes friction.
As far as I know unlike a comm that restricts who is allowed to post, non vegans are welcome to be here even if they aren't very much appreciated and many of the vegans would just prefer they avoided it entirely instead of messing with it. Look but don't touch kind of thing that's my approach, but I get it wrong or just have had days too like anyone else.
I don't think blocking out things you don't like, or make you a bit sqeemish about, is a good habit to form. It's absolutely a valuable tool but it's too easy to create echo chambers and I constantly see that lack of encountering things greater than your own opinion being bad for your health over the long run.
We need to challenge the things that make us uncomfortable to make any real change happen. I wish I had a better solution for the people who need tear down all the things they don't personally feel comfortable with it that challenge them in someway.
Perhaps I'm naive, but I look at this place and others like it as people sharing their opinions not communities acting as a group. It's convenient to have those communities because they are real things that exist, but the content is for everyone even when everyone shouldn't be responding to it. I hope I explained that properly.
Food and the consumption of it is a human universality. We all have it in common so I think whether you are vegan, vegetarian, or neither, it will draw interest far outside those it is intended to because food is just relatable one way or another.
I think it's very mature of the vegans communities I've encountered on here that they don't segregate themselves. I think that's the only way to stop hostilities between different worldviews and start helping each other be better.
Thanks for getting through my dumb thoughts. If you are ever in Quebec City, one of the best soups I've ever had was a Thai curry soup from Don Vegan the first vegan only restaurant in that historic city.
Best pad Thai I ever had was a vegetarian Pad Thai specially made by a Thai guy called Joe running a food caravan.
You’re cool, Jarix, and I appreciate your mindset. I agree that keeping an open mind is a good idea, though I’ve personally come to veganism on my own and don’t see any benefit from reading potential meat-based posts (unless it’s a recipe I can easily swap ingredients for.) I grew up in a meat-eating family and have probably heard every argument against it under the sun. So when people come trolling on here (as you’ve seen), it becomes an eye-rolling waste of time for all involved. I don’t think blocking pro-meat coms would be a sign of a closed mind, any more than blocking the coding coms (since I don’t code) or the German coms (since I don’t speak German) would be. It just wouldn’t apply to me, and that’s fine!
It would be lovely if more people had your mindset. I think people should question everything, taking the time to critically examine what they claim to believe and match their actions to it. At least, to the best of their ability.
Anyway, your “dumb thoughts” don’t seem dumb at all. I’m no authority in this com, but I’d welcome you back any day. :)
Hey, I lived in Québec city before as a vegan. There were at least two vegan restaurants before Don Vegan. But both were completely raw. I wasn't interested in raw cuisine, so you can imagine how sad I was in Québec city in regards to restaurants. Especially as I knew how hugely different it was in Montréal.
I recently learned of Don Vegan when I was planning to maybe visit with my family. The plan didn't materialize, but thanks for the recommendation. I'll probably visit in the future.
Oh I went by their claim. They said first 100% Vegan restaurant, maybe there is a technical claim they are making? Raw like Paleo? Maybe that's it. Sorry if I caught a lie. Gorgeous city, gorgeous region. Wish everyone here could just embrace the heritage(First Nations too!) and celebrate each other instead of all the hate.
I really hope you get to bring the family there and enjoy it!
I admire your discipline. I usually fuck around in meat eating communities until I get banned.
Because you’re obviously the bigger man ;)
I’m fucking huge, idk how manly I am.
nobody cares or gets offended there though so.... yeah. nobody cares
And bring some more egg rolls while you're at it!
I'm vegan. I chose to downvote and to report to mods.
We're better than this low effort shitpost.
Oh nooo, our echo chamber is being invaded by discussion!
Counterpoint: western society itself is a carnist echo chamber. We’re surrounded by their views most everywhere we go. All we want is a little space online where we don’t have to be drowned in it.
Oh, we're drowning.
Does anyone force you to eat meat? Are you offended by the mere idea of a t-bone steak?
If yes to the first: you're an actual victim.
If yes to the second: you're drowning yourself, nobody screams about a genuine carnivorous diet, but I've never seen a vegan who just sits down at a meal and doesn't berate everyone at the table that eats meat.
Fuck this kind of victim-complex delusion.
Bullshit. You're the one screaming.
(Emphasis mine)
Exactly. You didn't see them. They were there, but you didn't notice because they didn't say anything.
No mention of the actual victims of carnist assholery.
Also, you've never seen a vegan who just sits down and doesn't berate everyone?
Yeah, no shit? It's a self fulfilling prophecy; if someone doesn't announce their veganism, then you're not going to know they are vegan. Duh.
Despite being vegan for 6 years, I've never heard another vegan bring up the conversation at any dinner table, with and without carnists. It's always carnists who want to ask questions, and for what it's worth, they've also done so in good faith.
I have shared meals with vegans who don't do what you describe. Almost all of them in fact don't do what you describe
Okay cool, we both have confirmation bias, just because you know some apples are good, doesn't mean the whole batch is.
Just because you have never seen an apple doesnt mean they don't exist is better
I am not confirming anything other than I have a different experience.
I'm sharing an experience for the record that there are vegans who aren't assholes the way you describe them to be as that is an incredibly popular stereotype. An unhelpful stereotype. It also includes that I have encountered your stated experience and not denied that it can be true
I thought it would be helpful for other people to hear that from a non vegan meat eater who has had plenty of healthy encounters with vegans and that just because someone is vegan it doesn't make them unpleasant people the way you seemed to me to be arguing.
Ill be here arguing with people but begrudgingly welcomed while you will just get eventually ignored or banned completely and then you will contribute nothing to the discussion. Which is perhaps for the best then if that's how it turns out. But maybe I'll get banned. Either way It won't really affect me much, but seems like you have a need to scream at people and that seems like it will cause you some personal problems.
Good luck
Wow, three whole paragraphs of 'no u' and 'get banned' instead of just reporting me? You sure you're not the one that needs to scream at something? Get bent, and continue to be a prefect example of why people hate vegans as a whole.
I'm not a vegan. Currently brining some chicken breasts, so that will be an incredibly hard thing to do to be an example of why people "hate vegans as a whole. "
And I had nothing better to do and you keep responding. I'll eventually get bored of you and then forget your existence. Why would I waste mods time reporting you when you are utterly forgettable and don't cause me personally any problems. For what? Being unpleasant? That's shit mods don't need to deal with. If members of Vegan community want to report you I'll gladly support their efforts though. I would even given em a hug, if they wanted one. Simply because I'm engaging with you doesn't mean I actually care about your opinion. It simply amuses me to do so in this moment.
I've never seen a good faith argument against veganism in my life. It's all trolling and tired "jokes."
I don't believe there are any good arguments against veganism, but there are plenty of bad arguments for it.
The only good argument I know against veganism/vegetarianism these days is that meat tastes good. It's the only thing stopping my ADHD ass from taking the time to change my habits.
Plant based food is lowkey adhd friendly, way easier to cook, shorter cook times, less concern about food safety (raw chicken and eggs, fish parasites, etc), fewer smells to contain. Also for some reason I've had my tofu go bad even one month afyer expiration date lol
I get the habit thing though. These days I know how to make stuff taste good without animal products but it's a learning process, no one teaches us this stuff because society is carnist. I found that the framing helps, instead of "i need to change this"/" i need to stop this" it was easier to be excited about new recipes and being as budget friendly as possible.
Exactly! It's clearly quite straightforward, cheaper, and doesn't take any more time than eating meat. I'll be there before long. Just got a lot of crazy life things to deal with at the moment, like a lot of people.
I'm at the stage of buying vegetarian meals when I remember to do so and it doesn't take any more bother, which is about half the time. Once my life gets a bit more stable, I'll go vegetarian, then ease on into vegan.
I have a vegan brother who is the best cook I know. He's why I know how good vegan food is, and how I realised that not eating meat is not gonna mean eating boring stuff. It just takes changing the habits, then you're set.
Another thing I know from my brother: everyone needs to know about nutritional yeast, whether they are vegetarian or not. Goddamn that stuff is tasty. 😄
that's cool mate, and yea nooch is king (hence my username 😎 )
For a while I really thought we had left the people like you on Reddit. But alas you have followed us over here like cockroaches to ensure we can't just have a space to exist unmolested by chuds who think they are entitled to have everyone listen to their unsolicited opinions.
This is a public forum which is exactly where unsolicited opinions go. Maybe speak to the community about closing it to non vegans such as women'sstuff closes it's forum to non women. That this forum shows up on browse everything is hardly outsiders fault for encountering the content, and if the content isn't locked down then it's an open discussion.
But I'm not defending that asshole, just discussing how online life isnt always what we think it is. Doesn't mean it can't be, just might take some specific steps and ask some awkward questions.
I'm not a vegan or even vegetarian, doesn't make sense to me, but if I'm not expecting to have someone who is take the time and effort to teach me, the best way to learn on my own is simply be witness to what is discussed so value the content even while not aligning with it.
Then again i consider myself open minded and have always valued education