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[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

Societies have inertia. Without a force for change, they will not change. Maybe they would tend towards communism but it would be incredibly slow. Most people resist change and the amount of change required to shift even just a single state in the US from where it is at now to communism would be immense.

The amount of effort and required learning would deter many people and if you’ve removed the racketeering of the bourgeoisie, then they’ve you’ve lost the stick and don’t have a carrot.

Killing billionaires won’t undo the decades of “communism bad” and it doesn’t specifically bolster communism either. Hell, if you made people aware that you were killing billionaires to support communism you’d deter more people because “it’s just wrong to kill people”

Furthermore le petite bourgeoisie commit much less obvious sins in the eyes of the masses, but still support and defend capitalism. As billionaires fall, that class becomes larger. You’ll likely end up killing all the way down to small business owners before you’d reach the communist future you desire, and you’d have become the enemy of almost everyone left alive well before then.

You’re also making the same error as Light if you rely on people “getting the plot.” You are building a system that only works while you’re there to provide the threat. It will not last and it will fall to pieces again as soon as you’re gone.

Trees that never dealt with wind will break in the weakest of storms. If you want to fix the world permanently, you cannot do so by simply removing all obstacles magically. When those obstacles return your world will be even less prepared than they were before.

Lastly you make the assumption that you are capable of understanding the whole world, the political and cultural climate of every country, well enough that you can stop or adequately manipulate all the “bad” people and make sure the good ones are protected. You are not omniscient. This is not possible. You are bound to kill innocents in an effort to complete this endeavor, and you are certainly never going to kill every psychopath or misguided individual who fully supports capitalism.

You are Kira because you are holding onto the belief that if you just murdered enough “bad” people, the world would suddenly become and stay a better place, when in reality it’s just temporarily suppression. Those who would worship you would worship you for your power and dominance not for any doctrine of community or empathy. Even Those who you tried to help may face the fear that they’ll do something “against the party” and you’ll end them for it.

But hey maybe it could work, maybe the world would become a temporarily better place with less pain and destruction, but Light could make the same argument.

You are still slaughtering others under the delusion that somehow it will fix everything, that you would play the part of god perfectly and bring to pass a new world.

To paraphrase L: “I can guess your motive and why you're doing this. But what you're doing is evil.”

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (4 children)

Check your epistemology. You think that if billionaires just died out without the need for the proletariat to rise up and come together you would somehow end up with a world in which the proletariat would know to rise up and come together to stop it from getting bad again?

If anything you’d be lessening the spirit of revolution because you would be literally robbing the proletariat of it. You’d get more neoliberals and people who say shit like “see it all works out in the end” building a prime environment to slip right back into fascism when you die and stop enforcing the billionaire death penalty.

And if by “let the communists implement communism with no organized opposition” you meant slaughtering people who were opposed to whatever specific brand of communism you wanted most, I think Kira might be hiding in your mirror…

[–] [email protected] 27 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (19 children)

Has no sociological imagination

The initial ideas that drive him in the beginning are that people are no longer functioning in a larger social structure and that their true beliefs don’t reflect the way they typically act “most people would say ‘it’s just wrong to kill people’ but on the inside…”

kills people en masse without considering what might be driving them towards criminality in the first place.

He’s literally able to deduce that Yotsuba Kira is not the original Kira (himself) because the original Kira (himself) did take circumstances into consideration and would show mercy and the other Kira did not.

Believes that societies flaws are due to individual failings rather than systemic ones.

He literally bullies the CIA out of operations and if I recall, his actions lead to most global conflicts stopping. He does bring up war as a problem and government corruption as a problem along with corporate corruption occasionally. So I’d say this point is pretty off the mark too.

Operates purely under the definition of criminality set by the state.

He (and Mikami) literally slaughter a huge organization that is ripping people off in the name of Kira. Their scam was legal, but it was evil, so they died. He kills 21 FBI agents because they’re annoying him. He kills multiple cops and law enforcement that were otherwise innocent. And, as aforementioned, he takes pity on criminals who were convicted but had understandable circumstances. While his morals may overlap with the state they are definitely not “purely” set by the state.

White

Japanese. However this one is probably the most accurate statement in this image. He is a rich kid from a stable family, is not a minority in his country, and if he receives any bias it is positive and not predjudiced against him.

Disincentivizes criminality using fear tactics rather than rehabilitation and economic incentives…

It’s called a deathnote not an infinite-source-of-economic-and-medical-resources.

Says he’s going to start killing homeless people

I do not recall this but maybe I’ve simply forgotten.

Anyway, I tend to dislike people who try to pick out random specifics like this. You shouldn’t hate him because he’s not going about things efficiently or without considering other perspectives or whatever else. You should hate him because he’s a manipulative bitch with an obsessive god complex that leads him to cause massive amounts of pain and suffering to those around him and the rest of the world too.

He knows that people are corrupt that they’ve rotted the world and that it just tends to become like this. So he should know that no matter what, the world will fall right back into chaos unless he lives forever, which again he knows he won’t.

He is either completely beyond reason, blinded by the idea he can truly fix the world in a way that clearly won’t work, or much more likely he just wants to be god and just uses morality/justice to rationalize this desire.

He's not a bad person because he’s slightly inconsiderate or believes in state set laws. He's a bad person because he’s willing to slaughter thousands of people just to feel powerful.

Edit: Rearranged and removed a sentence or two for clarity

[–] [email protected] 23 points 5 months ago (4 children)

“Some lady came at me saying I stole her purse. I threw the professor at her but she kept coming, so then I had to hit her with this purse I found!”

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

Remember: “All models are wrong. Some are useful.”

True direct proof only exists within the most raw philosophies like mathematics. All else is comprised of theories which we haven’t proved wrong yet or, in a few cases, the least-wrong of all our theories.

Quantum physics and relativity fall in that final category. They describe the universe well but not entirely and not together. We know they aren’t currently correct, but they are the best we have at the moment.

[–] [email protected] 100 points 5 months ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 49 points 5 months ago (9 children)

At what point does a set of stairs become a wall? How thin can steps be before they are no longer considered steps?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

Incidentally you might want to look into a condition called wandering bladder.

Why?

Oh no reason, no reason at all.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago

Y'know, ch-choose a movie or... Or we can watch some interdimensional cable if you want.

We now return to "Nintendo 69."

Nintendo, oh, what are you doing to me? Oh, Nintendo, oh, Nin...

Or we can watch whatever, y'know.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 5 months ago

I would assume the downvotes are more for the “religion is a framework to be shitty” part. I’m also going to get downvoted for a similar reason.

Religion is justification for one’s moral compass / desires.

You see people who think it’s morally okay to rape kids or take away women’s rights or the rights of trans people or the rights of gay people etc. These people can’t justify morals (or lack thereof) logically so they use religion to give them a false sense of rationality. Hence you think religion is a framework for being shitty.

However, there are other people who use religion to justify “good” behavior like compassion and acceptance. These people are still reliant on fallacious beliefs, but their actions are not “shitty” so they get offended. Furthermore, others—who know people in this second category—may also think the remark about religion being shitty is not correct and is rude. That’s why it’s getting downvoted.

Fun sidenote, we can actually formally prove that religion or at least absolute morality doesn’t matter, and that people will just do what they want no matter what:


Proof. We seek to prove that people do whatever they want regardless of the existence of a god or absolute morality. We have three natural cases:

Case 1: Assume neither god nor an absolute purpose/morality exists. Then a person will default to their own morals. Hence, if neither exists, people will do whatever they want.

Case 2: Assume a god or purpose/morality exists that does not align with a person’s current morals. (For example a god that required you to strangle six puppies every year or required human sacrifice, or raping kids, or blowing up hospitals, or working in finance, etc.). Then this person will not follow that god/purpose because they are a bad god/purpose. Hence, a person will do whatever they feel is right regardless even with the existence of a true deity/purpose when that god/purpose does not share their morals.

Case 3: Assume a true god or purpose does exist and that it aligns with the morality of a person. Then that person will be living that way anyway, so the existence of the god or purpose has no effect on them doing whatever they want.

In each case a person will do whatever they want regardless of the existence or non existence of a god or a true purpose/morality. Q.E.D.


I should note that while I did come up with this proof myself several years ago, I learned later that Marcus Aurelius and other philosophers beat me to the punch by several centuries. But hey philosophy is the study of understanding existence, if we both exist in the same existence we can and should be able to discover the same facts about reality.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 months ago

The whale biologist is one of the best one off characters:

Well, you’ve come to the right guy. I’m the whale biologist, though personally I hate whales. Especially Mushu

Then why’d you become a whale biologist?

I don’t know you well enough to get into that.


…and the fifth reason whales kill is for the sheer fun of it!

Anything else?

Yeah, your suit’s lumpy and you smell awful. Hey, I call ‘em like I see ‘em, I’m a whale biologist.


The suit was ugly! Whale biologist.


Introducing Mushu! The educated whale who thinks he’s better than you!


Stop him! He’s got aquarium property!

Better do what he says; he’s a whale biologist.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I was born after 2000 (though not too long after) and this is actually one of my core memories. I think about the sounds of the static and the sound of the CRT turning off all the time.

Also, we had a really old tv in our basement till at least 2008 that had no remote, just knobs and I remember messsing with the “hue” dial all the time trying to figure out how it worked.

The only reason that tv worked so late is that we had a black box connected to the antenna which I later learned was converting the digital signal to analog for the TV.

Also, you’ve just reminded me that I remember the switch from analog to digital. Specifically, I remember watching Elmo talking with some adult on TV about the change. Now I really want to find that video. I think the guy was wearing a suit had short dark hair and glasses. I also think the background was pinkish purple. I want to know how accurate my memories from so long ago are. (I’ll add the link to the video in an edit if I can find it)

Edit: I cannot find the video :(

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