Tartas1995

Yeah, but again. I think the people that see joker was a incel ref, aren't necessarily saying that joker is an incel, but rather that incels like joker.

I didn't enjoy the joker movie, I don't intend to argue about the movie but to provide my understanding of the why.

And my joker is Heath ledger, anyway.

Neither. It was a new cool trendy thing.

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/delulu

I am not arguing that he is and I don't think the people calling it a incel ref are saying that he is. I think they are saying that he is weirdly deli about a woman and is popular with a lot of incels because he is relatable for them. (Hating society is a way and kinda delulu about women)

Also I want to repeat, I might misremember stuff.

Maybe I misremember but he was kinda delulu about a woman, no?

Honestly I am somewhat confused too. I think the joker movie joker is kinda incel ref because he is kinda an incel and kinda hates women (I don't remember the movie too well)

That seems to be the dark knight joker tho. So idk.

And honestly dark knight joker is amazing. Like I like the movie because the joker is a great villain in this movie.

Did you guys listen to the Tesla earnings call?

That was something to be enjoyed.

I didn't expect an answer. I am sorry if I made you feel that way. I just wanted to explore the topic with the general topic.

Your answer is a good as mine. I just don't think people have good reason to be so judgemental to any group as vague as "woman".

It is an odd thing anyway.

Fair point

I understand all of that but it seems crazy that it would generate these results so systematically.

Idk. I certainly want a world where gender is a fun little thing and not an life defining element.

Honestly, no. I am working in programming. There are no women. We both know why and the answer is sexism.

But even on the way into the job, I have only twice experience someone telling a woman to not do IT that was when I was a student. 1. A classmate, and everyone gave him a lot of shit for it. Seriously, I don't think he had a friend in the class afterwards. 2. A father telling his daughter. And there I jumped in and challenged him on it.

It is difficult to spot sexism in a different department.

Edit: I misread the question. in my friend circle, I can't recall any woman complain about sexism at their work, but a former female friend in china. The women in my life had issue with their work but I don't recall specifically sexism. Tbf, a lot of them work in jobs that are "women jobs" like caretaker.

2.nd edit: I just recalled 1 case where someone complained about sexism to "me", friend of a friend and I was present. But honestly in that case, it was really bs. Girl admitted that she didn't know what she was doing and admitted that she didn't want to learn and then complain why everyone else got real work in the internship... So not the ideal case to talk about the very real sexism in society.

If you don't mind what do you mean that you understand now how people can believe sexism isn't an issue?

I want to stress that it is an issue, I just have a difficult time believing some of the shit because it seems so comical to me. What kind of person is that way?

Assuming that it is cultural, as it seems like your comment kinda assumes that. Like it seems you are saying, it was cultural but by now it is kinda intentional.

I would argue "willingly ignorant" is bad but also not making it less "unconscious cultural".

If they were willingly ignorant but also no cultural sexist, they wouldn't be an issue.

So well you have a point, but I would say that the unconscious cultural sexism could lead to willfully ignorant and you would kinda expect it.

I am not saying, you are fully wrong about the willingly ignorant part, I just don't think it would remove the cultural part.

Edit: ups edited the wrong comment. Sorry

I think it is a weird focus because it was irrelevant to your point, and the discussion at large. I could point out that American christians are far more likely to support trump than non-christians, but why? When we talk about the idea of the us electorate (that you chose to equate to american in your comment to the other guy. So I will say American too)

The collective in question was defined, "why do you think that about Americans?" To move the focus to white Americans is odd in that context. Imagine I would have said, "well republicans are far right". You would have told me that we don't talk about republicans but Americans. That I couldn't and shouldn't judge a collective by a subgroup. Yet that is what your focus on white Americans does in this conversation. It is not a bad observation, it is just a weird focus in this conversation.

And yes white Americans have voted trump in power, 61% of Americans identify as "white (not mixed)". 71% of Americans identify as "white". That is a huge part of the us electorate. If 57% (according to exit polls) of 71% of the us electorate vote for a fascist, of course, that is relevant and it should play a part in how I judge the us electorate.

But in the end of the day, all of that is more complicated than needed to answer the question, why do I believe the us electorate is far right. Trump won the popularity vote. You can break it up. But then we aren't talking about your initial question, why do you think that about the us electorate? Instead we would talk about e.g. the white us electorate, certainly worth while exploring but not the topic at hand.

If you are unhappy with that, then don't frame it as you do. I am answering your question precisely. Ask me a different question if you want to talk about a different topic. But don't dismiss my answer because you don't like it and claim that your comment didn't focus onto white Americans and that the majority of the us electorate didn't vote for trump while blaming white Americans (the absolute majority of the us electorate) for voting for trump.

I am sorry but the us is mostly white and fascist. That is what informs my opinion on us citizens as a collective.

Edit: you also seem very offended by the idea that I judge the us electorate based on a popular vote, saying that not everyone is that way. While happily blaming white Americans based on exit polls, ignoring that not everyone is that way. That is odd. Why can't I judge the us electorate but you can judge the white us electorate?