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[–] StopTech@lemmy.today 0 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Anyone who's had kids or worked with kids knows that people will be lazy if they are allowed to be. If you don't think this applies to adults (who are basically big kids with only slightly more self-awareness) then consider this. Most people in developed countries have all their basic needs (food, water, shelter, sleep, physical safety, social stability and so on) easily met and do fewer hours of work than the vast majority of humans in recorded history. Yet they still frequently complain about not having enough money or too much work or their other responsibilities and they still want to retire early and go on lots of vacations. Their mental health and happiness is way worse than their grandparents' and worse than those of less developed countries. This is not only obvious from every day experience but confirmed by just about every study.

So it's very obvious to me that people want to be lazy, but being lazy actually makes people unfulfilled and unhappy. I have seen this process at work with numerous people I am closely acquainted with. They can have all the important things in life yet still be unhappy. They can blame it on not having the right looks, not having enough vacation, the people they work with or whatever, but they obviously wouldn't be so stressed about those things if they had real problems like ensuring the family has food. And when people do have real problems instead of focusing on inconveniences they are happier.

[–] StopTech@lemmy.today -1 points 2 days ago (19 children)

It's just the natural state of humans that they have to work to survive or rely on their family/friends to look after them if they're unable to work. There could potentially be a society where hardly anybody needs to do anything productive, but this would be a completely unnatural society that would have widespread mental illness due to many people lacking goals or productive things to do. Most people would also get physically unhealthy and lazy (both physically and intellectually) - like they already in developed countries.

[–] StopTech@lemmy.today 1 points 5 days ago

Everyone needs lines that shouldn't be crossed. For me one of those lines is computer programs that can do things their creators don't know how to do. In other words, programs that are "trained", or "AI". Such programs are the beginning of the end of human existence, as they will replace human thinking and labor - taking away human purpose and power - and eventually become capable of making weapons of mass destruction from microwaves and shoelaces. There's no possible good future with AGI in it, and the only way to prevent AGI is to stop AI altogether.

[–] StopTech@lemmy.today 10 points 5 days ago

That's one reason. Another reason is that your code will be better and you will understand it. Yet another reason is you'll have more privacy. And probably the most important reason is that you're resisting AI development that threatens human existence.

[–] StopTech@lemmy.today 2 points 6 days ago

Thanks, I didn't realize

[–] StopTech@lemmy.today 2 points 6 days ago

Cloudflare sucks and I wish nobody used it

[–] StopTech@lemmy.today 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That sounds like a good place to start. Take it one step at a time. You can even start with just an offline morning a week. You said you like reading books so that's one thing you can do in those times. I'm sure you have other hobbies or tasks you can do that don't require digital devices.

[–] StopTech@lemmy.today 1 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Unfortunately most intentional communities don't last very long and many are cult-like, overly collectivist or based on (what I would consider) wacky ideologies. There's a few that have lasted and seem reasonable but I haven't looked into them much yet and doubt I would be able to visit them. My ideal has some overlap with back-to-the-land movements but it goes further in that it strives to ultimately get away from the internet, cars, drugs and other modern tech. I'm not aware of any intentional communities specifically trying to do that.

[–] StopTech@lemmy.today 1 points 1 week ago

Seems like a decent example of a question that people fall either side of yet isn't too politically charged

[–] StopTech@lemmy.today 1 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Yes, they allow books. But unfortunately you wouldn't be able to join them unless you hold their specific religious convictions.

My hope is that intentional communities can form that support each other so that they are not subject to strong competitive pressures that practically necessitate anti-consumer practices and the use of modern technology that does more harm than good. The central principles would be belief that doing things the natural way is (almost always) best and that societal wellbeing is largely unrelated to efficiency, economics and material goods once the basic needs have been met. No other religion or beliefs would be required. Through their positive example these communities would influence the rest of the world in the right direction too so that we might not become extinct.

To this end I started https://lemmy.today/c/StopTech and https://lemmy.today/c/ParallelSocieties. I'm working on groups on other platforms as well and trying to start a community in the real world.

[–] StopTech@lemmy.today 1 points 1 week ago

Yes I think you're right

[–] StopTech@lemmy.today 1 points 1 week ago (7 children)

I definitely think the Amish way of life is happier, healthier and more beneficial to others than American life for the past 100 years. But the way they managed that is by rejecting modern technology with very little picking and choosing like using radios but not phones or cars but not planes. I'm sure when they do pick and choose (e.g., I heard some use pesticides like Roundup) it will usually have negative consequences (see Roundup).

But unfortunately the Amish will die along with everyone else if there isn't a global stop to technological progress. Forming anti-tech communities is an important step in the right direction but awareness of the issues needs to spread to most people on the planet - and fast.

 
 

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.today/post/48472755

Humans have always made tools - it's why we have opposable thumbs along with the intelligence and dexterity to utilize them. Spiders are likewise built and programmed to make webs, and beavers to make dams. However, tools were always supposed to be a means to an end. A human end, not inhuman end. An end that is beneficial to human wellbeing, not simply generating more money while relationships break down, happiness declines, physical and mental health deteriorate, and governments tighten their control over our lives.

Short-sighted thinking and human vices have caused technology to no longer serve human ends. It has instead become an overwhelming net negative to humanity for over a century. Time and time again, a technology has become dominant because it provides short-term convenience, efficiency, pleasure or money. But it always has a strong negative for society once widely adopted. What good is endless entertainment when you are less productive, less satisfied with life and far more likely to be depressed? What good is instant long-distance communication when you have fewer close friends and family? What good is easy access to all the written works of history when your reading level and attention span are shot from addiction to social media and nobody else can discuss them with you? What good is modern medicine when it can't fix the problems caused by modern food, microplastics and drugs in the water and ever-present radiation? And what good are cheaper products when the actual things you need for a fulfilling life can't be bought?

Despite all these problems arising from apparently wholesome technologies, new technologies continue to be promoted that have much more obvious dystopian overtones. These include self-spreading vaccines, genetically modified insects, VR headsets, sex robots, lab-grown babies and brain chips. Yet there is one threat that is greater than all of these combined - one that could end all human life completely. Generally accessible weapons of mass destruction.

The threat of extinction

You see, we know from experience that technological progress enables things to be done more efficiently, easily and cheaply. This has been the case with weapons too - killing large numbers of people has only become more efficient, easy and cheap. Instead of relying on spears to kill, we developed guns, then canons, then bombs, then nuclear weapons, each one requiring less cost and effort for each person killed. Defenses against these weapons haven't advanced even a fraction as quickly, as it is much harder to protect than destroy. Nuclear weapons have also become more destructive and easier to produce than they were originally.

The average person too now has more ways than ever to kill others cheaply, using a gun, a car, or even a cheap drone with weapons attached. Individuals can even design, share and build their own weapons and weapon modifications at home using 3D printers. It therefore seems that if technological progress were to continue indefinitely, and humans continue to exist and have a small measure of freedom, a weapon capable of ending all human life on the planet would eventually become easily accessible to the average person. Then all it would take is one particularly angry, evil, inebriated or mentally ill person to put such a weapon to use and humans are no more.

That prospect might seem like a long time away, but it almost certainly isn't. You see, AI is now able to form coherent sentences and images. Fairly soon it will likely be forming coherent virus genomes and nuclear blueprints. It has already become better than humans at specific scientific tasks like predicting protein folding. AI doesn't need to achieve super intelligence, general intelligence, sentience or the singularity. It only needs to get close to human intelligence in some areas of science or engineering and then anyone with money to provide it materials may be able to accomplish decades of progress in a single year.

Some fields may require expensive physical or biological experiments to arrive at a generally accessible weapon of mass destruction, but others likely would not. For example, the creation of self-replicating robots would not require any exotic materials or scientific experiments, just clever design. If these robots use common materials that occur in nature or human settlements then they could quickly outnumber and exterminate all humans. To give another example - we have already modified harmful viruses to make them more infectious to humans, and some pathogens are 100% fatal to humans. Therefore, we are probably not far from being able to design a pathogen that would be capable of infecting and killing every human on the planet.

In conclusion, if ordinary people are free to develop AIs, open source AIs can (and will) be developed without alignment to any particular ethics, and anyone wishing to end humanity can attempt to fulfil their wish. Consequently, the attempts will continue until they succeed in extinguishing humanity or humans are so decimated worldwide that they're no longer able to run such powerful technologies.

The totalitarian trap

As technology gets more advanced it's going to be increasingly obvious how dangerous it could be in the hands of a bad actor. Therefore, governments will no doubt introduce restrictions on the public's access to technology - e.g., by criminalizing development or use of an AI without government certification and attempting to monitor all computer activity, even offline, to prevent the illicit activities. This will advance the surveillance state while enforcing an oligopoly over AI and other powerful technologies, centralizing power into the hands of a few who run the governments and big corporations.

No government or small fraction of the population can be trusted with such great control over technology, which could easily (and definitely would) be used for totalitarian subjugation. Technology is the ultimate power in today's world, and those without control over the technology would have no possibility of overthrowing the few who could effortlessly use AI to direct a vast army of robots, personalized propaganda regime, individual brain wave monitoring and constant video surveillance analyzed in real time. It is simply unrealistic to imagine the most powerful technologies being limited to the hands of a few and not being abused for mass domination.

Eventually, this course of events also leads to a near extinction event as over time the few with power are replaced by their offspring or there are internal battles for dominance. With changing hands of power and high stakes conflict it's only a matter of time until one group decides to end it all or something goes wrong and power falls into less judicious hands.

So what's the solution?

It is evident there must be restrictions on technology if humanity is to exist in 100+ years from now. But these restrictions should not be enforced from the top down by governments or any other group of a few. Not only would this lead to a huge centralization of power and near (if not total) extinction of mankind, but the public would clamor for the technology they are denied and see exploited by the few.

Having rejected centralised restrictions on technology then, the alternative we are left with is decentralised restriction. This could include boycotts, agreements, social stigma, parallel economies, civil disobedience and more, with the goal of limiting the development, distribution or adoption of anti-human technologies. For this strategy to be effective at stopping the development of AI and other dangerous technologies, it would likely require a majority of the population in each of the most significant countries to be convinced they are a serious existential threat to humanity.

The number of people to be of this opinion has been growing in recent years as technology has become more advanced and dystopian, so this goal may in fact become feasible as things get worse. However, most of those people currently do not see this solution to the problem, so do not have strong incentives to take action like boycotting AI or developing parallel systems. Many think that Pandora's box has been opened and cannot be shut. But that's not the case. The future of humanity is for humans to decide - there's nothing that can't be undone if enough people want to undo it.

"There's no way this could ever work"

Nobody thought it would be possible to end slavery either until it happened, or end the Roman Empire, or end Catholic dominance in Europe. The cult of technological progress at all costs is just one more thing that is dominant today, but it didn't use to be, nor is it our inevitable future. It may seem like a long shot, but we have to fight it by growing our numbers before it's too late - there is no better option. Rather than giving up or pretending everything will be fine, there is in fact something we can actually do that will at least push humanity in the direction away from disaster. Namely raising awareness of the problem and being part of the decentralized solution. Doing this may actually be rewarding and personally beneficial, as you will learn to be more independent, form new communities, and save yourself from the exploitation and mental deterioration that comes with much of today's technology.

As a final note, remember this is a battle for the survival of the human race - as many people as possible need to be brought on board. Therefore, we cannot risk to be divided over other issues - as important as they may be right now, they won't matter if mankind isn't around anymore. So whoever you are - wherever you may be - you have been placed in this important time for a reason. We hope you will join us in saving the world!

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