I suspect that she means that Israel should be able to kill Palestinian families if they want to, and anyone who says otherwise is an enemy. Of course, she can't say that specifically, so she has to toss up strawmans about supporting Hamas's war crimes, or just say she "disagrees" without being specific.
It is a common framing. "Israel's right to exist" can be used by both sides as a way to reframe somebody into being some kind of monster.
This lady can say that, because some of the people Israel's been genociding are ready to do some genocide back at this point out of pure self preservation, anyone who defends those people in any way must disagree with Israel's "right to exist."
And, on the flip side, people on Lemmy can say that some particular user is a "Zionist" because they don't agree with destroying Israel. They are defending Israel's "right to exist," on stolen land and actively genociding its neighbors, founded as part of a Zionist project, and therefore, they are a "Zionist." I've seen people try to say Bernie Sanders or PugJesus is a Zionist for that reason for example. It's not even really wrong, I guess... anyone who disagrees with destroying Israel completely is, by one way of looking at it, a Zionist. It's just horribly misleading, which is why they like to make the accusation in that particular way.
Honestly I think the way Mamdani handles it is a masterful illustration of how to manage someone trying to paint you into a corner of things you didn't say: Put perspective on the issue they're trying to blow up into the whole conversation, define crystal-clearly what you actually do believe on that issue correcting them on what they tried to put in your mouth, and then forcefully make a case for what you believe and why it's right.
Still works for me. Are you on Tor / VPN?
Just say what's up. People like it. It takes a little bit of charisma to pull off, but the main obstacle with it is that you can't be trying to figure out some kind of compelling lie that you can tell so you can keep doing favors for your friends who are slaughtering human children, just whole stadiums full of little ones with their guts spilling out.
For most people in Washington, that's a deal breaker, so this kind of wildly popular election-winning formula is just off limits.
💔 Fuck the world
What team sports politics combined with legalized (and illegalized for that matter) bribery does to a motherfucker
See Rainbow capitalism as a very related example. Nutomic is right that identity politics are used to create division among the working class, because anything that can create division will be used to do so.
I mean that part is accurate. But abandoning whatever issue it is that is being used to create division is not the answer. They use all kinds of legitimate issues to create division. The solution is clearly to get rid of that whole concept where disagreement = division. Not to say that it's just "all good" if I think people deserve human rights, and you don't. We can still work together on some things, sure. I'm still going to give you hell about your bad point of view. A lot of people on the left seem to have this concept like it has to be a monoculture, like everyone has to see all issues of right and wrong and good and evil in exactly the same way, and if you don't see it my way, then you're a total shit and an enemy on purpose and I need to try to destroy you first before even trying to attempt anything against the right. And that tendency is one that the right absolutely loves to exploit, and they have wild success at it.
(Nutomic also in an extra irony takes it a step further, because his server will not just "divide" from you ideologically, but outright ban you if you try to say that some particular people deserve human rights.)
I didn’t hear about this “mistake” but I agree it’s problematic and hope my instance eventually moves to piefed. Though I haven’t tried it so I don’t know how well I’ll like it.
https://lemmy.world/post/32838609
It was interesting.
On the other hand, I do feel like the ideology of the standard corporate media platforms is about as bad as the tankies and we don’t flip out about that. Makes me wonder about double standards here.
Yeah, pretty much. I realized that my Israel analogy wasn't even completely on point. It would be more along the lines of someone writing the software who was all cool with Palantir and ICE, and constantly spoke highly of them. That's about the level that I put the Russian government on (which of course isn't to excuse any of the horror of what the US government is currently trying to do; if anything, it goes the other way and throws into relief the horror that Russia has already been for decades now that has been normalized at this point.) And, of course, all our existing corporate social media is okay with Palantir and ICE, they just have more sense than to talk out loud about it.
Hm... yeah. I mostly agree. Or sort of almost agree. This one issue of Nutomic having an offically incorrect stance on trans issues is one thing, and then their wider pro-authoritarian politics is another, and then the way they manage their instance is another. They are related but separate.
In terms of a response to the third thing, I do agree about a "boycott" meaning not posting new stuff to lemmy.ml communities in general and just preferring communities in more human-rights-respecting instances. I don't think that blocking the instance, or not commenting on their stuff at all and having isolation, is a good way, though. The thing is that that isolation just helps their censorship to be effective. That's part of the point of the fanatical way they attack outsiders and try to curate a narrative for their users, and it's really very effective. If you ever look from inside lemmy.ml, it looks like they all make sense and there is consensus, and we're the weird ones. One way to tear down that veil is to have open communication, and people from the outside coming in and saying normal things, and then they have to continuously have that fanatical response or else have the mods intervene (and then we can talk about how the mods are overreaching and it's pretty clear who is talking sense about it, over time). Talking to each other is good. I feel like if all the not-pro-Russian people just self censor themselves from lemmy.ml, because they know the mods are going to go HAM on their comments, then it sort of does their job for them and makes it actually airtight, more so that it would be otherwise. That's what they would want to see happen.
One related thing which bugs me more than it seems to bug a lot of people: I think it's a problem that they are so overtly aligned with these malicious actors, and then also they are producing and packaging software that all of us use that is designated for this important purpose. Like if if was an Israeli software development team putting together a new federated web site that all of us were going to trust our communication to, and their home instance was all pro-Israel stuff and you could get banned for criticizing Israel, that would be insane for us to trust the software and the core instance. I mean yeah it's open source but also, the people controlling all of it are super-green with these people that like to do corruptions to software and sneaky things in the Western media sphere. That would bug me. That's kind of how I look at the Lemmy devs, and why for example I reacted so strongly when the docs had that "mistake" that would send new Lemmy installs' admin passwords to lemmy.ml by default. I feel like that aspect of it is also something that should get thought about more often, it is why I am in favor of Piefed even if reimplementing the whole thing from the ground up is this massive amount of duplicative work.
Personally, I think all of this "Person X holds an officially wrong viewpoint on this one singular issue, so let's attack them and create as much division as possible and take energy away from defending ourselves against people who hold objectively wrong and dangerous viewpoints on 100% of the issues and are actively trying to destroy us" thing is silly. But that is me.
The Lemmy devs are a little bit unusual in that I have problems with their overall politics (even if we actually agree on more than we disagree, probably), not just a one issue. But even in that case, where it's a sizeable difference of opinion (instead of WE CAUGHT THEM BEING BAD ON THIS ONE ISSUE FUCK EM FUCK EM FUCK EM), I don't think should be a reason to "divide" from them. People are allowed to hold viewpoints, even allowed to contribute while holding those viewpoints, even if I think they are wrong.
Not to mention working on saving the oceans, cleaning up all the PFAS, reducing the impact of global warming, all this stuff. There is an absolute shitload of work that needs to be done that needs a massive amount of effort and manpower. This idea "well how are we going to create jobs when AI can do everything and we have enough web marketers I guess" is looking at the working world through the entirely wrong lens.
Yeah. I kind of hesitated to post it for exactly that reason. It is not really exactly the take that I would have taken to any of what it is talking about. I do think some of the underlying facts are important and so I posted it anyway, but I do pretty much agree.
Specifically I think a lot more of what is happening is that "powerful" jobs are going away, and "underclass" jobs are becoming more common, and he's interpreting that as "male" and "female" jobs respectively.
Like a lot of things, it works best when you can't really consciously tell that it's there.
An animation that's too quick to really register is fulfilling the brief and making the interface better, without cluttering up the user's conscious awareness. An animation that wants to slow down enough so that you can really feel that the designer put some work into this interface, and appreciate what genius they are, is no good.