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[–] PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social 7 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Yeah. I mean you might be fine. If the cops show up, you explain what happened and you didn't do anything wrong, and everything checks out, you might get to go home and the detective might call you the next day just to close out the loop and you'll be fine. But... do you want to bet the rest of your life on it working out that way?

Again, be polite. As a matter of realpolitik it is extremely important that you not fit into the "hostile suspect who just killed somebody" bubble. But, also, while you're being polite and getting access to your lawyer as quickly as possible so you can clear the air and give you reasonable statement to them, it's still Shut the Fuck Up Friday. You have no idea what the cops and prosecutors may decide to read into what single sentence you happened to randomly blurt out while your blood is still pounding in your ears.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social 4 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

I mean, if you read the details, it's pretty clear that someone reported something in a way that made it sound like a massive gmail breach when it was something totally different.

That's not to say that Google hasn't been breached in some kind of catastrophic way and then covered it up, just that this particular "breach" wasn't that.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social 23 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

They're not spending so you won't tax them. They're spending so you won't get popular and others like you, because if that dam ever bursts for real, their oligarchic days are numbered (along with maybe their days of being free men after all the criminality). And they know it. They're not stupid.

Almost no amount of money would be "too much" to keep you out of power, the only reason they're moderating the amount they spend at all is that after a certain point it would flip around and start to look wrong and give you even more publicity.

I also started training in Brazilian jiu jitsu which is a pretty fun way to get into shape. I am getting good at grappling and choking big guys out.

Honestly everyone should take some kind of self-defense classes. I know something about it but I am horribly out of shape right now, which probably isn't a good idea.

And it doesn’t hurt to level up some skills that you can use to help your community if the does unthinkable happen.

This is very sincerely a really good point. I might do some first aid classes and things, it does indeed seem like shit will get quite a lot wilder before it ever gets unwild again.

But I do have an expectation that I’ll need a gun eventually, and if that’s true, I should have one now so that I can practice with it.

Yeah, I feel you on that. You're not wrong.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social 6 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

My van was down by the river though, it's good because you can go swimming every morning like John Quincy Adams

[–] PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social 11 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

call the police, give a statement, go home, and sleep like a baby

This is the only part I strongly disagree with

I actually have seen someone ask a lawyer about this. The answer the lawyer gave was:

  • Call 911 right away
  • Say you're in a fight and you need the police, give the location, hang up
  • Wait for them to arrive, cooperate. Probably best to put the gun down before they arrive. They will be twitchy, they will really want you to give a statement. Do not. Be fully cooperative and respect their desire not to get shot and to know what's going on without saying anything. Say you want a lawyer and you're happy to cooperate with a statement after that. Probably they will arrest you.
  • Once you're in contact with a lawyer, your statement to them can be through your lawyer. Be friendly and polite, but also, just because you didn't do anything wrong doesn't mean you can't get fucked.

I modified step 2 slightly, this was from back before there were cameras everywhere so you probably need to be more mindful of that. Don't do anything that makes you look guilty, definitely nothing that makes you look dishonest. But for fuck's sake don't just "give a statement" if you just killed somebody.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social 4 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

I don’t pretend to be any kind of expert, but I’m happy to talk about what I do know if ever you’re interested.

I've done shooting at the range a few times. I know the physical mechanics, I'm talking about knowing what to do and how to react in a situation where people are killing each other or might start killing each other. Like a lot of things, it seems straightforward until you're in it, and then all of a sudden it really doesn't.

Like I feel like even if I did one of those "tactical situation" training weekends or something, I wouldn't really like that gave me anything about what I actually need. What I need is how to make the right decisions. And, like I was saying in the other comments, I don't feel like gunfire is even really any kind of solution to what I see now as the most urgent active physical threat to my safety. If it was a mob of Proud Boys? I mean, maybe. But on the other hand I probably don't have a mob's worth of bullets.

Again, maybe I'm wrong in all this, maybe I will regret. It's hard to say. Maybe I will regret staying in the country at all. Let's see.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social 8 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

Read the book. It's based on a lot of research and it's been actively used in practice in defeating a whole lot of governments a hell of a lot more repressive than Trump's.

Whatever the merits of the violent option, however, one point is clear. By placing confidence in violent means, one has chosen the very type of struggle with which the oppressors nearly always have superiority. The dictators are equipped to apply violence overwhelmingly. However long or briefly these democrats can continue, eventually the harsh military realities usually become inescapable. The dictators almost always have superiority in military hardware, ammunition, transportation, and the size of military forces. Despite bravery, the democrats are (almost always) no match.

The maintenance of nonviolent discipline against violent opponents facilitates the workings of the four mechanisms of change in nonviolent struggle (discussed below). Nonviolent discipline is also extremely important in the process of political jiu-jitsu. In this process the stark brutality of the regime against the clearly nonviolent actionists politically rebounds against the dictators’ position, causing dissention in their own ranks as well as fomenting support for the resisters among the general population, the regime’s usual supporters, and third parties.

Emphasis is mine, that's the answer to your question. He actually says later on that there are circumstances where violence is needed, I couldn't quickly find that quote, but he basically just lays out the history of where and how different types of resistance action have worked.

I realize it's not convincing when I just quote it out like that. Read the book. There are strong reasons and historical examples for everything he's saying in those quick summaries.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Yeah. It sounds cliche, but "listen with your heart" is really accurate. She's saying she misses the old days when America worked. That's not wrong (I mean for white people it's not, I would recommend not to go down that rabbit hole lol). A lot of it isn't about what you say to her, it's how you say it. If everything you say sounds cold and factual and correcting her, of course she's not going to want to listen and it's just going to be a hostile interaction.

It is tough. My experience with stuff like this is that they just live in a whole different reality, so it is hard to get a foothold. I had to work really hard at having conversations with people for whom the tone of voice and emotional intent is a huge part of how they process the information (which I think is most people). That's not how I operate, so it was hard to keep it in mind without coming off as fake or condescending, but if you're genuine about what you mean and focus on sort of the core of why you came to your beliefs (not the facts but the reasons why you care about the facts so much), a lot of times it comes across better. And then on top of that, you're dealing with someone where their factual understanding of the world is off in la-la land, so it's hard to not just lecture them or tell them what's what.

Like that kind of thing about Reagan, my first reaction to the answer is "Yeah, and have you wondered why that hasn't ever happened since then? Why everyone was doing okay until the late 80s and then it all went to hell and hasn't come back? Honestly that's what I want, is to get back to when working people had a fair shake and people could make a living. Don't you want that? It sure as hell is not happening now under Trump..."

But again, it's not the words, it's the intent behind them. If you're reasonable and you care, then it's hard for her to take your statements hostile even if she doesn't agree with them (honestly I can guarantee you that one conversation or even several about it will not change her mind.) But you can sort of plant seeds and then she'll come around on her own, or if she does not then oh well.

If she is being overtly hateful on her own then it's different. IDK what you can even do then. But mostly in my experience it is people who are so twisted up that they think the Democrats are so hateful that of course things X, Y, and Z make perfect sense and are the only humane thing to do. Mostly.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social 1 points 3 weeks ago (19 children)

Which is why if ICE is knocking at the door, the situation is already escalated and it’s better to die and try to take a fascist with you than go to a second location.

I mean, after a certain point, yes. Solzhenitsyn talked about it, also I think some of the founding fathers had things to say about it. In our current situation, absolutely the fuck not. For one thing, it'll get you killed obviously, for another thing, it'll give them the pretext they're looking for to start with all kinds of shit to all kinds of people that they can't get away with right now. They are praying for something like this to happen. That's why they play up anything which looks vaguely like it into something it isn't.

Every day that goes by where ICE is the illegal mother fuckers and the people of the country are the innocents, is another day they lose a little more backing of the courts, the military, the city police, all kinds of stuff like that which is their pathway to power. I know it sounds like I'm just backing down from fighting back... all I am trying to say is that starting gunfights with the secret police is about like starting a fistfight with your abusive spouse: You're not wrong. But also, you're not going to win through that method.

Here is some extensive information about what does work after quite a lot of research: https://www.files.ethz.ch/isn/126900/8008_FDTD.pdf

[–] PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social 52 points 3 weeks ago (48 children)

I really thought about this last year, took the class and everything. In the end I decided not to get one. My reasoning is this: Having a gun and not a lot of experience in what to do with it is like playing a board game for life-and-death stakes that you have never played before.

Maybe I will regret at some point in the future, but I had trouble coming up with scenarios where I wound up thinking "Thank God I pulled my gun out, now all my problems are resolved."

 

On Tuesday 28 October, Defend Our Juries and Prisoners For Palestine jointly announced plans to launch what they aim to be the:

most widespread mass civil disobedience across the UK in modern British history.

Defend our Juries and Prisoners for Palestine: plans for mass civil disobedience

Defend Our Juries has plans for actions in 18 towns and cities across every nation in the UK. The group will be challenging the ‘terror’ ban on Palestine Action ahead of and during the judicial review (25–27 November). Protesters will hold Lift The Ban demonstrations in Edinburgh, Cardiff, Oxford, Leeds, Aberystwyth, Nottingham, Northampton, Gloucester, and Truro on Tuesday 18 November. Following this, the group will host protests in London (Thursday 20, Saturday 22, Monday 24, Wednesday 26), Belfast (Saturday 22), Edinburgh, Cardiff, Manchester, Birmingham, Cambridge, Bristol, Sheffield, Exeter and Lancaster (Saturday 29 November).

So far, the state has arrested over 2,000 people under terrorism legislation for taking part in these actions in which people sit silently holding handwritten cardboard signs saying “I oppose genocide. I support Palestine Action”. Around 170 of these, police have so far charged with section 13 offences under the Terrorism Act 2000. These offences carry a maximum six month prison sentence.

Time for a ‘significant escalation’

At the Court Of Appeal ruling on 15 October, Palestine Action co-founder Huda Ammori won two more grounds for her Judicial Review. This was at the same time as the government lost its attempt to block the legal challenge of the ban. Defend Our Juries said this made the Judicial Review “twice as likely to succeed” as she now has four grounds on which to appeal rather than two.

Last week the UN issued its draft report Gaza Genocide: A Collective Crime. It detailed the complicity of states including the UK in the destruction of Gaza. Amongst other things, the UK continued to supply arms including components for F-35 stealth bombers, undertook daily surveillance flights over Gaza for Israel, maintained normal trade relations, and enabled Israel to undertake international crimes with impunity.

A spokesperson for Defend Our Juries said:

Today, we’re announcing a significant escalation. This is set to be the most widespread mass civil disobedience across the UK in modern British history, stretching from city centres to small towns across the country, in open defiance of this authoritarian and unjust ban.

These historic mobilisations will honour those already imprisoned for risking everything to disrupt the flow of arms to Israel and stands in unwavering solidarity with them.

As the latest UN report makes devastatingly clear, both Conservative and Labour governments have been shamefully complicit in the horrors unfolding in Gaza. The use of counter-terror legislation to silence and criminalise people acting to save lives and expose the UK Government’s violations of international law must end now. The Filton 24 and Brize Norton 5 must be granted immediate bail and full access to the evidence they need to defend themselves.

Our movement to defy this draconian ban is growing by the thousands and we will not stop until it is overturned.

Different nations, wildly different responses

The action in Belfast Saturday on 22 November will be the first Lift The Ban action in the city. Local campaigners have held regular independently-organised sign-holding actions in Derry, but police have brought no arrests or charges to date in the North of Ireland. Legal experts say that Police Service Northern Ireland need the proscription “like a hole in the head”. They suspect that the home secretary did not consult PSNI on the proscription.

Police Scotland have similarly made no arrests at Lift The Ban actions in Edinburgh. However, they have subsequently arrested and charged a seemingly random ten people from the 85 who took action in September. The Scottish Counter-Terrorism Board CONTEST has concluded that Palestine Action:

has not been close to meeting the statutory definition of terrorism.

Earlier this month, former diplomat Craig Murray filed a legal challenge against the ban in Scotland. It means there is the potential for a constitutional crisis if Scottish and English courts reach different decisions.

In Cardiff, Welsh police took an alarmingly extreme approach back in July. Cops arrested sign-holding sitters originally under section 12 of the Terrorism Act 2000 (maximum penalty of 14 years in prison). They held the protesters in custody while raiding their houses. The same sitters were subsequently charged with lesser section 13 offences (maximum penalty of six months in prison).

Palestine Action prisoners prepare to hunger strike

In tandem, Prisoners for Palestine have announced that prisoners the state is holding in British jails without trial will go ahead with a rolling hunger strike on 2 November. The decision comes after the home secretary failed to respond to their demands. This included immediate bail, access to documents necessary for the right to a fair trial, and the de-proscription of Palestine Action.

The prisoners are part of the Filton 24 and Brize Norton 5 who are alleged to have taken part in actions in the name of Palestine Action designed to save lives by degrading weapons and machinery facilitating Israel’s genocide in Gaza.

The Crown Prosecution Service claims there is a “terrorism connection” to the alleged offences. This is despite the fact that the state has brought no charges under the Terrorism Act against them, and the activists carried out their actions before the government proscribed Palestine Action.

Francesca Nadin, spokesperson for Prisoners for Palestine said:

It’s no great surprise that the government has ignored the prisoners’ demands, this is simply a continuation of the corruption and violence enacted by the British state – not only upon the prisoners, but most importantly on the Palestinian people. It seems that they believe that they can act against the wishes of the people, but we are here to tell them otherwise. The prisoners lead the way with their resolve and moral clarity and we must heed their call. We are here today with Defend Our Juries to show the British state that we will not be intimidated into silence, on the contrary, we are fighting for the same cause and will continue to escalate. For justice, for freedom, to stop the genocide in Palestine.

T Hoxa, one of the Filton 24 who ended a 28-day hunger strike on 7 September after winning most of her demands, said:

For me, the hunger strike is about autonomy. Your body is one way you can fight against the system, because in every other way they’ve taken everything from you. They lock you up when they want, give you red warnings just because they’ve got that power. So, for me, hunger strike is a very important and necessary tool, and the notion that this is one area they can’t control gives me strength.

Hunger strike to bring violence of UK carceral system into ‘sharp focus’

Dr Asim Qureshi, research director at CAGE International, who are negotiating partners for the hunger strikers alongside Prisoners for Palestine, said:

This hunger strike will be the first of its kind in at least two decades. It brings into sharp focus the violence of the carceral system in the UK, a violence we often associate with places afar. From Guantánamo to Gaza, the infrastructure of authoritarian terror laws built to imprison, silence, and suppress action for Palestine and voices challenging wars and genocide must be dismantled. Prisoners are the beating heart of our movement for justice. We must honour their sacrifices and stand up to challenge the injustices they face.

The hunger-strikers are members of Prisoners for Palestine, which include the Filton 24 and Brize Norton 5. Some of these prisoners have now spent over a year in custody without trial. With their treatment having deteriorated following the proscription of Palestine Action, they feel they have no option but to go on hunger-strike to fight for their rights.

The prisoners will start their hunger strike on 2 November, Balfour Day, the anniversary of the Balfour Declaration. It will also mark just two weeks before the start of the first of the three Filton 24 trials. The hunger-strike aims to highlight the conditions of the prisoners’ incarceration, and set out a series of demands to the British government. These demands include the right to a fair trial, release on bail, and the dropping of all terror-related charges.

The Filton 24 are alleged to have been involved in an action on the Research, Development, and Manufacturing Hub of Israel’s biggest weapons maker Elbit Systems, located at Filton, Bristol. During the August 2024 action, a group of activists drove a modified prison van through the facility’s perimeter fence, and on through the shuttered entrance. Six activists then entered the building, and began dismantling production machinery, as well as Elbit-produced quadcopter drones, which Israel has used throughout the Gaza Genocide.

Police arrested the six activists at the site. However later, while in police custody, they re-arrested them under counter-terrorism legislation. This allowed the authorities to extend their detention period. Police later charged them with non-terror offences, and remanded them in custody.

Shocking abuse of terror laws and police powers

Over the following months, in a series of dawn raids, police arrested a further 18 activists, often along with family members, who they later released. The police again used counter-terror laws, and while they never charged them with terrorist offences, the prosecution have alleged a ‘terrorism connection’. All have been denied bail, and been subject to various abuses by the prison authorities. The treatment of the Filton 24 has been widely condemned, not least by the United Nations.

In June of this year, activists entered RAF Brize Norton, and sprayed blood-red paint on 2 Voyager aircraft leased by the RAF. Brize Norton has served as a transport and re-fuelling hub for flights to RAF Akrotiri in Cyprus, from where daily flights have been dispatched to spy over Gaza. The former home secretary Yvette Cooper cited the Brize Norton action in proscribing Palestine Action as a supposed terrorist group.

However, evidence shows the government had been planning the proscription for some time previously. Five people have been remanded in custody in relation to Brize Norton, with the police following a similar modus operandi to the Filton case.

The state is currently holding 33 prisoners on remand in British prisons for Palestine-related actions.

 
 
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