PhilipTheBucket

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Like I said, they've deteriorated into just nonsense and wild accusations, because that's what Hasan did about the issue today, and he was super forceful and emotional about it. Not that it matters, even addressing it sort of feeds into the whole "let's stop talking about the facts and what's in the videos," but I don't like Israel no, and I don't really even know whether H3 is a person or a channel or what it / he is.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They've got a new theory that every single person who is upset about this just got spun up by some equally vacuous anti-Hasan streamer (or, in this case, the "livestreamFail" community on Reddit).

They all started saying it (sometimes even accusing particular people of being fans of some particular anti-Hasan streamer), coincidentally just today right after Hasan spent about 45 minutes on stream saying, more or less, the exact same thing, just over and over again in between saying how awesome he is to his dog, how well-trained she is, how over-the-top correct he is in all his decisions, and how often she's on stream (and someone not managing to say "and I love her and she's the best" which honestly would have been a lot more convincing as an explanation for why he would never deliberately hurt her.)

[–] PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social 7 points 1 month ago (13 children)

Stop watching internet influencers, they are all boring as fuck and stupid as fuck, but I guess stupid attracts stupid.

Way ahead of you. It is remarkable how universally the Hasan stans have all started assuming that I watch some kind of "counter-Hasan" and that's where all this is coming from. Like I said, I saw it on reddit when it went to the top of /r/all for a while.

You call this animal abuse, the guy isn’t even yelling at his dog, it doesn’t mean anything.

See, this is more of what I'm talking about when I say that the stans are doing absolutely 0 to change my mind about this: I think it's pretty clear that he shocked the dog with a collar on stream. You might disagree with that, and fine, you can tell me why you think so (my guess is it will include the phrase "dew claw.") But just pretending that all of a sudden we're talking about him "barely yelling at her" and that's the issue, is just going to convince me that you're not really aware of what we're talking about. And that kind of lack of reading comprehension doesn't really bode well for your ability to make sense of things that are more complex than "what do the words I literally just read say, and what does the person who wrote them think happened and what are they irritated about."

[–] PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social 6 points 1 month ago (10 children)

I find it strange this story seems to be getting so much traction in the media. I first saw it on a Forbes article, and now PETA has made a statement.

Honestly, that part is almost certainly because he's pro-Palestinian, I think.

Oh well dude. This still looks horrible to me. I might tune into his stream at some completely random time, just to look into it and see what kinds of stuff he does when it's not being cherry picked to be the most easy-to-misconstrue-as-horrible things he's ever done in a full career of full time streaming, but this is honestly pretty cut and dried to me, and the impossible or self-contradictory things that his fans have been saying to try to justify it are not helping me to see it any different.

Someone accused me of being obviously a Destiny fan down below. Also Ethan, also H3, also someone else I think, that I had never even heard of.

You can go down and look, but nothing is going to be gained by it. Everything that needs to be said on this topic has been at this point I think.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

You’ve been taken in by rage bait created by people who have made a career out of it.

Sounds to me like you've been taken in by creator-knob-slobber parasocial excuse making.

I'm fine with the theory that he's being "targeted" because of his political stance, I'm sure he's under a microscope because of it. But I am in no way saying this particular sin he is guilty of just because a lot of shouty people are accusing him of it. I watched the video, I watched his reaction, I watched what his stans here and on Reddit were saying in his defense, and I can say in my opinion the pro-Hasan contingent is unhinged to this cult-like degree about it.

It's not hard when someone tell you your dog's collar is too tight to say, "Oh shit! Yeah, let me loosen that." It's not hard when your dog randomly yelps in pain to say "Hey girl what happened, what's wrong?" (even accepting the to-me-very-unlikely theory that it wasn't because he shocked her). The dude just looks like a POS in all these clips, and in general I am further disgusted by the whole "she clipped herself" and then today "oh actually I have no idea what happened" and the way he approaches criticism... which, actually, is exactly the same way you and all the other stans here have been approaching it today: To claim it's a big conspiracy and he has tons of enemies and completely deflect away from talking about the factual concern, acknowledge that someone could have a legitimate reason to be upset based on what they saw. To be fair he did that last thing today... after FORTY FIVE MINUTES of whining about what a big conspiracy it is and how all his enemies are stupid and all just ganging up on him on Reddit.

I have no idea who "Destiny" is. I have never seen Ethan Klein or H3. All these communities that people are accusing me of obviously coming from, is just reinforcing to me that they picked up on this walking logical fallacy's official marching orders about what to think about this issue, to make it tribal so that they can stop engaging with the evidence and just decide it's an enemy tribe at work to destroy them.

None of the factual explanations are consistent. It's an airtag collar and you're a total idiot, except now it's a vibration collar and you're a total idiot, but he doesn't vibrate her anyway, and anyway shock collars don't even hurt, it's like ants. Bro wtf.

I keep trying to disengage from this discussion and people keep messaging me, and I keep wanting to say something back and spending more time on it because it's so cut and dried. Sure, maybe I am wrong. This is just my read from literally just opening my eyes and watching the clips. I very regularly watch clips about things like this and decide "bro wtf, that is completely innocent IDK what these people are smoking" and in general just strongly dislike streamer drama. My assessment here is that he's a POS though. That is my feeling.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

What is this potentially responsible usage in this case?

It's part of the progression. You say something that sounds "defense adjacent," and is also true. The other option is to just attack the person speaking, or to attack the victim. Dealing with the facts at hand is right out.

Honestly, having watched some of Hasan's stream today, I kind of get where they pick it up from. He spent, no lie, about 40 minutes just talking continuously about how "they" are out to get him and "they" just think every bad thing about him and obviously he would never hurt his dog and she's super well trained, basically just doing everything possible to dodge or deflect the accusation, but always in this incredibly condescending tone of voice like what he is saying is obviously the truth and anyone who doesn't think so is stupid. He actually, to his credit, did address it head-on somewhat after those 40 minutes were up, but still in the most backwards ass way possible (search for "ants" to see my comment about some of the more batshit things he said).

[–] PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social 5 points 1 month ago (4 children)

I do not "come from" any community. I saw this on Reddit's /r/all, this is the second time I have watched or cared about Hasan Piker (the first was when he was saying something about the CIA/Mossad definitely being behind some world event, I don't even remember the details).

The emphasis that the pro-Hasan people are putting onto "if you are 'attacking' this tribe's person you must be from this other tribe!" is very weird. At least you're not trying to use it as a defense of Hasan as some others are. Anyway, I've seen as much of the substance behind it as I really want to see at this point.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I still despise the notion of political influencers, but this is what upsets you? Really?

It's a perfect storm of things for me to get irritated about: Politics, plus someone being mean to some other entity that can't fight back, plus people in internet comments saying things to me that are objectively wrong. It's like a flag to a bull.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social 7 points 1 month ago (10 children)

Did Hasan teach you this trick, of just repeating over and over again the same statement (after someone provides a video of the abuse, has a lengthy discussion about the plausibility of theories like "it's a GPS collar" and goes through individual frames to show what they're talking about or timelapses of a longer amount of the stream), as if whoever simply refuses to shut up for the longest automatically wins the disagreement? Obviously you're not trying to make a factual point, since this whole thread is basically me providing evidence. I think the thing you are trying to do doesn't really work in a format like this, I'm sure it is better if you can say "You have no credibility and no evidence. Goodbye." and then kick the person from your stream or something, but that's not what we are doing.

I honestly don't have much more to say. Like I said, I thought about showing some of the freeze frames blown up from the video, showing that she definitely didn't catch her dewclaw on the metal bar next to her for example, but what would be the point. Anyone who cares enough can put the clip through mpv and see it for themselves (and being able to watch in context and flip around is better than the freeze frames anyway). Honestly as a broader point if you don't have the emotional intelligence to see what is clearly present in Hasan's and Kaya's behavior just in the original clips, I don't know what to tell you, and I don't really feel like you and me talking further to each other about it is productive in any way at this point.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social 15 points 1 month ago (5 children)

/r/therightcantlateshow

Comedy is just incompatible with how they like to do things.

I don't even think that "being right wing" is automatically a bad thing in the abstract when you separate it from the current US political climate (although good luck with that in the present day). All the crowd of generals in Hegseth's pep rally staring coldly back at him don't necessarily have to be bad people to me. But you also don't see them trying to do any stand-up comedy to better influence the kids these days. Everyone can just stay in their lane and it is okay, and that includes the right wing staying the fuck out of determining what the culture of the comedy shows needs to be right now or ever.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social 4 points 1 month ago (7 children)

I blame the systems of education in this country, plus a lack of community that makes people latch onto these parasocial situations where one particular streamer's fanbase, or one particular Lemmy community, becomes "their community" and they have to leap to defend it against outsiders. It is mind-boggling, though, I will definitely agree about that.

 

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