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[–] Skua@kbin.earth 23 points 3 days ago (1 children)

To be fair I would be very intimidated by someone swinging a weapon that can kill a horse with one blow

[–] redhorsejacket@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Gotta define your parameters better. Anything can kill a horse with one blow, provided adequate swing speed, or provided a sickly enough horse.

[–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 11 points 3 days ago (1 children)

"I want to stab that guy, but he's way over there"

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

"I want to set that guy on fire, but he's way over there."

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago (2 children)
[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 19 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] AFC1886VCC@reddthat.com 16 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The mesoamerican version of a baseball bat full of nails

[–] grue@lemmy.world 17 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Or what happens when a society that doesn't have metalworking wants to make a sword.

[–] Skua@kbin.earth 17 points 3 days ago (3 children)

A small clarification: pre-Columbian Mesoamerica did have copper and bronze metalworking, after picking it up from contact with South American societies some time between 600 and 800 CE. The Nahuas (Aztecs) had bronze axes called tlaximaltepoztli, for example. Macuahuitls might have just been better at cutting than bronze blades, though. Societies that learned about ironworking mostly replaced their bronze weapons with it, after all

[–] addie@feddit.uk 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Undoubtedly right, but might give the impression that iron is used because it's a better material for weapons than bronze - that's not its advantage.

Bronze is harder than iron, and holds a better edge - bronze knives are lighter than iron ones. (Harder metals aren't necessarily better for swords, tho, as they'll shatter rather than bend.). It also doesn't corrode so readily. Bronze can also be worked around 1000 °C, which can be achieved with primitive forges, whereas iron needs about 1250 and needs much better tech.

The first real advantage iron has over bronze is that iron is everywhere, whereas bronze production needs tin mines, and they're quite rare. If you can achieve the heat, it's much easier to equip your whole army.

The second advantage iron has is that if you can achieve about 1500 °C in your smelter, and you've mastered getting 'some but not too much carbon' alloyed with it, you can make steel, which is a huge improvement over bronze. That's generally not tech that could be achieved by ancient societies, though.

[–] Skua@kbin.earth 3 points 3 days ago

Ahh, good points all round

[–] grue@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago

Sorry, I was just trying to emphasize the more "sword-like" rather than "club-like" nature of the thing, not impugn their technology.

[–] RedditRefugee69@lemmynsfw.com 3 points 3 days ago

Obsidian is still better at cutting than steel. Surgeons use it.

[–] notabot@lemm.ee 4 points 3 days ago

It looks like a Macuahuitl.

[–] neatchee@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago

Great scene. Carter dismantling the dummy is very satisfying

[–] jasoman@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] jasoman@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago

You know how the joke goes. A Serpent guard, a Horus guard, and a Setesh guard meet on a neutral planet. It is a tense moment. The Serpent guard's eyes glow. The Horus guard's beak glistens. The Setesh guard's nose...drips.

[–] Landless2029@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

I think a more accurate depiction would be sword vs spear/halberd.

[–] sommerset@thelemmy.club -4 points 3 days ago (2 children)
[–] CaptainBlagbird@lemmy.world 17 points 3 days ago

No, this is Patrick

[–] Akasazh@feddit.nl 8 points 3 days ago