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[–] Nougat@fedia.io 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I love how the propagandists just keep beating the same drum after the Biden administration has constructed a ceasefire deal which has received unanimous UN Security Council support, and did appear to be moving forward until about 14 hours ago. (Edit: It might still, that's not over yet.)

It's almost like if the US just turns its back on Israel, we'd lose our leverage to press a negotiated agreement, which would surely not end with Israel digging in their heels even further. (/s) It's almost like geopolitics are - wait for it - complicated.

Second Edit: Let's also not forget that Israel is a nuclear power. What do you think happens when Israel's back is against the wall, they're running out of conventional weapons, and Iran and/or other groups decide to take advantage?

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

It was unanimous because Russia abstained. Putin loves the refocus on Israel while he continues his genocidal war crimes in Ukraine under the US media radar.

For those who haven’t been keeping up, Russia has abducted 700,000 Ukrainian children to be raised as Russians in foster homes since the war began. It’s genocide on a scale 20 times larger than Palestine, and isn’t making national headlines in the US due to the focus on Israel.

The US formally declared this as genocide in the House of Representatives with a 390-9 vote in April by invoking the UN Genocide Convention, and the ICC has issued arrest warrants. Did you see any headlines about that?

Russia is also the largest investor in the sanctioned Iran economy that is directly funding Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Houthis.

[–] elliot_crane@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

But hey, some rando with literally no national attention is polling at 3% in a couple of safely blue states, so definitely don’t vote for GeNoCiDe JoE! /s

[–] Nougat@fedia.io 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] elliot_crane@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Oh I’ve noticed. The way I see it, there are three options when it comes to the “both sides”/protest vote camp, every single one of them is one of the following:

  • a bad faith actor cosplaying as a leftist
  • an accelerationist
  • a misguided idealist who legitimately believes a non-mainstream candidate could win and/or completely disregards the cold hard fact that FPTP means a third party/abstain vote simply endangers the lesser of two evils candidate while empowering the greater of two evils candidate

No matter what I will never stop throwing shade at that crowd hard and heavy. The first two on that list will never change. I do hope, however, that continued social pressure on that last type of person will make some of them realize that voting is just as much a responsibility as a right, and consider that maybe there’s a good reason their views are so unpopular.

Edited after a good point made by samus12345.

Also I noticed the single downvote on every one of my comments. I know who you are lol. Glad to see I’m still living in your head rent-free.

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I think there are also misguided idealists who think it's more important that they feel good about not voting for the "genocide" guy while absolving themselves of any blame should his opponent win. They know a third party candidate can't win, but that's not as important as them being "right".

[–] elliot_crane@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yeah that’s a good point.

[–] SuperZorro@discuss.tchncs.de -1 points 2 years ago

NO, These are all bad points! With the regularity of these posts, I am starting to suspect you are all bots.

If you want Biden to stop doing something, like supporting a genocide, you don't just say "please stop, but I'll support you no matter what". You tell him, pollsters and everyone who asks that you definitely won't be voting for someone who supports x. When it's time to vote, it might be time to vote for the least evil choice.

[–] quissberry@lemmy.cafe 3 points 1 year ago

this aged like wine

[–] letsgo2themall@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Both sides do suck. but only one is trying to get an orange dictator elected. I'm still voting Biden. Democrats aren't perfect but it's the only choice we have.

[–] Phegan@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

I do think there is a constructive way to talk about how both sides accommodate the interests of the ruling class. We are at the point where our choices are corporate shills and fascist corporate shills. I am going to vote for the non-fascists every time, but don't tell me I am harming the conversation when I expect the corporate shills to be better too.

[–] HandwovenConsensus@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago

Sure, both sides are not the same. But the "good" side is still part of the system that allows the "bad" side to exist.

So by all means, vote for the party that will do less damage in the short term. But oppose FPTP voting at the same time.

[–] tonbo@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

You need to do more than merely vote

[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Eliminating the First Past the Post voting system would enable people to vote for third-party candidates without the risk of a spoiler effect. This change would foster competition in the electoral process, enhancing the quality of candidates for all voters. Additionally, it would likely increase voter turnout and political engagement.

Electoral reform is possible at the state level, Alaska and Maine have already passed electoral reform so it is possible to get this done.

Republicans have already made moves to protect First Past the Post voting. Florida recently made Ranked Choice voting illegal. Fortunately there are many alternatives to FPTP, so the ban still isn't in the way of passing electoral reform.

So the question remains, why do Blue states still use FPTP voting? Why would you want to use the voting system republicans prefer? There are no republicans stopping these reforms in states that democrats control.

It is clear that democrats understand the flaws of FPTP voting, just talk about voting third party in nearly any social media and you will get a entire flock of Democrats lecturing you on how a vote not for a democrat is a vote for a republican. How can you admit the voting system is flawed and then not make any moves to rectify the situation is beyond me. You don't get to lecture people on the flaws of FPTP voting and then do nothing to fix the issue.

[–] wakumul@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago

that cgpgrey video takes liberties (to say the least) with the truth, making logical leaps and asserting opinion as fact. i think it should not be used as a source of "good" information unless the information you want is "why does everyone think two party systems are inevitable without proof?" or maybe "how can i tell people who won't fall in line they're stupid while sounding academic?"

[–] masquenox@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

Yeah, liberals... keep pretending that your superficial pearl-clutching when it comes to US-sponsored genocide makes you all that different than your (so-called) "conservative" cousins.

[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 0 points 2 years ago

Ah, I see, we've come from "vote for the lesser evil" to "anyone claiming that the democrats are bad is on Putin's/the Repuplican's payroll".

Or how else should we interpret that "specifically designed" part?

[–] PanArab@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

You do realize that you can vote third party and they maybe better aligned with your values?

The only people taking people’s power away are those telling us that we have to choose between the candidates we don’t like and ignore the ones that we do agree with.

I as an Arab American will not vote for someone enabling the death and destruction of my people. Call us Russian trolls all you want.

[–] SparrowRanjitScaur@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Any US president will support Israel due to geopolitical relations the US has with Israel: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diffonly=true&title=Israel%E2%80%93United_States_relations.

Biden is at least acting as a moderator in the war, which is significantly better than the GOP who are saying they want Israel to "finish the job" when talking about Gaza. Voting third party will benefit the GOP and make the situation much worse.

[–] TangledHyphae@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The "vote democrat to save democracy, you must vote one party, .. for democracy" seems like Orwellian doublespeak at this point, because if you look at the numbers, democracy is about to be heavily eroded over time by the democrats. I'm not even registered to vote, but it's obvious to see the tactics being pushed and enacted.

[–] InternetUser2012@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

tRump "I'm going to be dictater"

You can stfu and piss off troll.

[–] TangledHyphae@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago

I'm not registered to vote, where did I mention trump at all in my comment? "Your opinion is different than mine, PISS OFF TROLL HURRRRR DURR mouth frothing". Great argument, was great speaking with you today, thanks for your contribution.

[–] Shadowq8@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago

get f*ked. George carlin applies.