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[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 84 points 11 months ago (5 children)

A coworker of mine started falling down the YouTube conspiracy rabbit hole. He said something about the moon landing maybe being a hoax. I told him that when I was in college I used the big telescope to look at the moon landing site, so I knew for sure it was real. After that, he believed in the moon landing.

Now of course I was lying about seeing the moon landing site. Terrestrial telescopes can't see the landing site. I convinced my friend to believe the truth by countering a lie from a stranger with a lie from someone he trusts.

[–] puppycat@lemmy.blahaj.zone 61 points 11 months ago (1 children)

update us when he finds out terrestrial telescopes can't see the landing site and thinks you're a deep state cia agent trying to hide the truth lol

[–] Klear@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You used to be able to see it using a terrestrial telescope, until they put all the contrail crap in the atmosphere.

[–] seeigel@feddit.org 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] Klear@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago
[–] sneezycat@sopuli.xyz 29 points 11 months ago

I upvoted this, and then I was like "wait a sec... are they fooling us?" and had to look up if you can't see the moon landing site from Earth.

Of course you can see the site, but indeed no telescope has enough resolving power to see any items left there. So I guess you didn't fool us this time.

[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 21 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Pedantry alert, neerrrr:

You can see the moon landing sites easily enough if you know where to look, and can match up the geography easily. What you can't do from the ground is what a lot of folks expect, which is see any of the left behind equipment, rover tracks, boot prints, flags, etc. for a couple of reasons. First, the features are too small to be physically possible for a purely optical telescope to actually resolve. And even then, the random motion of the Earth's atmosphere would distort your image too much to make out anything that small at that distance.

[–] YarHarSuperstar@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

random motion of the Earth's atmosphere

Are you able to elaborate on what you mean by this at all please, or possibly suggest a direction to look in to find more about what this means and the implications?

[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Have you ever looked at something on the horizon and it's all shimmery and wavy and won't hold still? That's because air (and moisture in the air) diffracts light. And the air is not still, either. When you're looking an incredibly small object that's extremely far away the effect is rather like trying to see through one of those pebble textured glass shower doors, except if it were moving and the object you were looking at were the size of a gnat. And also several miles past the door.

[–] felsiq@lemmy.zip 4 points 11 months ago

Just to add to this, air at different temperatures and moisture levels bends light to different degrees, which is why the layers and pockets of air that form our atmosphere make stars shimmer. It’s partially why astronomers are so eager to get telescopes into space (like Hubble and the James Webb), since the lack of this effect lets them resolve much smaller light sources than you could hope to beneath the atmosphere.

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[–] YarHarSuperstar@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Have you been telling this story a while? Or are you intentionally taking credit for something you didn't do for meme cred?

Edit: actually double xp meme credit, including the OP meme cred of lying for the meme and also the meme-ness of telling the story as OC

[–] RamblingPanda@lemmynsfw.com 13 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You can trust them. I saw them doing that while I stalked them with a telescope.

[–] Akasazh@feddit.nl 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I am currently stalking you with a telescope. Can you stop masturbating that frequently? It's not normally

[–] RamblingPanda@lemmynsfw.com 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Never!!! I use it as a workout.

[–] Akasazh@feddit.nl 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Just use the other arm once...

[–] RamblingPanda@lemmynsfw.com 5 points 11 months ago

I like the asymmetry, it adds to my crude charm.

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[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That's exactly the sort of thing I was thinking about. White lies to steer people away from fear and hate ... benevolent demagoguery?

[–] SereneSadie@lemmy.myserv.one 6 points 11 months ago

In ATLA, there's an infamous episode called The Great Divide.

Aang tells a lie to get two tribes to stop fighting a pointless feud that's been going on a hundred years or so. And the fandom seems to get all huffy about that.

I think he did the right thing. If there's nothing to prove he's lying about how the feud began, then there's nothing to prove about why it should continue either.

[–] niktemadur@lemmy.world 55 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Plot twist: there is no direct evidence that Twain ever said such a quote. Which is very fitting for this meme, its' very point itself.

[–] arotrios@lemmy.world 27 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You found the Easter Egg.

I hearby dub thee, @niktemadur@lemmy.world...

[–] ReallyActuallyFrankenstein@lemmynsfw.com 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Hey, that was their name already! What are you trying to pull!

[–] arotrios@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Holy shit - the plot thickens...

Does this mean that no one is the Meme Master?

[–] kibiz0r@midwest.social 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Oh word? So they’re the one behind all those “no one:” memes?

[–] arotrios@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

Nah, that's nobody...

[–] niktemadur@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago
[–] YarHarSuperstar@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

You missed a really funny opportunity by not faking that screenshot

[–] Akasazh@feddit.nl 4 points 11 months ago

'Can we reach quoteceotion by Twain quoting Churchill?'

  • Einstein
[–] lugal@sopuli.xyz 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I'm convinced that you tried to fool me

[–] potoo22@programming.dev 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

... Fuck. Fine, I'll look it up.
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Okay, he didn't use those exact words, but he said "How easy it is to make people believe a lie, and how hard it is to undo that work again!".

Source: https://quoteinvestigator.com/2020/12/23/fooled/#180a2d81-ad60-4996-9c9a-3b9cd697903c
Which cites https://books.google.com/books?id=Q6c2AQAAMAAJ&q=%22believe+a+lie%22#v=snippet&q=%22believe+a+lie%22&f=false

[–] lugal@sopuli.xyz 4 points 11 months ago

Wow, I expected it to be totally fake like most quotes on the internet but I 5d-chessed you into looking it up for me. Thanks!

[–] 5714@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 months ago

~~Ethics~~ Quotes are relative

[–] ceenote@lemmy.world 29 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

"All the conman did was take his money. You made him feel stupid."

Don't remember who that quote was from, and that's certainly not the exact quote, but I always liked it. If it rings a bell for anyone, I'd like to know.

Edit: CW: Reddit. It was David Frum, apparently. In spite of that I still like the quote.

[–] Mr_Dr_Oink@lemmy.world 22 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I wanted to see if this was really a quote by Mark Twain and found this article on snopes which states that there is no evidence linking this quote to Twain. Instead there is a quote from one of his books with a similar sentiment so its possible it was someone paraphrasing Twain

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/did-mark-twain-say-its-easier-to-fool-people-than-to-convince-them-that-they-have-been-fooled/

So, ironically, the quote is meta AF.

[–] Slovene@feddit.nl 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That quote originated from Michael Scott.

[–] Mr_Dr_Oink@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Who copied it from Wayne Gretzky

[–] Klear@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

- Mark Twain

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 14 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

"Every time an engineer designs something that is foolproof, the universe will design a bigger fool."

[–] arotrios@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Or, as has been my experience:

"Every time an engineer designs something that's foolproof, it's destined to prove him a fool in the end."

[–] oo1@lemmings.world 2 points 11 months ago

Urgh, when you forgot to check the fool-performance charateristic curve on the datasheet and it was on a log scale.

[–] HappySkullsplitter@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Need to fool people into knowing that they've been fooled

[–] Trex202@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Need to fool them into being critical thinkers.

[–] Nougat@fedia.io 5 points 11 months ago

Criticize fools, got it!

[–] lugal@sopuli.xyz 3 points 11 months ago

Need to fool them into thinking they are critical thinkers while controlling them

[–] techclothes@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

All we have to do is fool them correctly then! Right?

[–] Captain_J@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

Truth. Just look at the world right now.

So can we fool them into being unfooled?

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