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    [–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    side note i like the use of calvin over that other guy

    [–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)
    [–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
    [–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

    not unless you want to be a victim of abuse i guess

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    Crowder's one of my favorite musicians... Oh wait, different Crowder.

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

    Music Crowders's good. Who's this other Crowder?

    [–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

    That Covfefe got cold a long time ago.

    [–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    Not a hot take at all. Asking someone to go from a GUI heavy operating system to a command line heavy one and be just as productive is lunacy. Like all major changes it is important to ween off the old thing.

    My biggest hurdle with the switch has been permission related issues, and you can't deal with those cleanly with a UI, and every help thread under the sun throws out a bunch of command line commands giving a solution without explaining why those changes are needed. It may seem like Unix 101 to experienced Linux users, but it is really cryptic to newcomers coming from operating systems that are...cough more lenient with their permissions.

    There is also a mentality that UIs are much more idiot proof than command line. UIs are written by people who actually know the OS so we can't accidentally delete our home folder because of a typo. It is a very legitimate concern.

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

    Not really, the vaaaast majority of PC users don't need the linux commandline.

    [–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

    Literally the only reason I use Zorin is because I am too computer illiterate to put the stuff i like about its desktop environment in a more lightweight distro or on Qubes

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

    Just installed Mint to try it out because it looks similar to Windows. Don't judge me.

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    Great take. But you know the real sneaky one that trips you up? File system.

    I wouldn't call myself a beginner, but every time I install a Linux system seriously I see those filesystem choices and have to dig through volumes of turbo-nerd debates on super fine intricacies between them, usually debating their merits in super high-risk critical contexts.

    I still don't come away with knowing which one will be best for me long-term in a practical sense.

    As well as tons of "It ruined my whole system" or "Wrote my SSD to death" FUD that is usually outdated but nevertheless persists.

    Honestly nowadays I just happily throw BTRFS on there because it's included on the install and allows snapshots and rollbacks. EZPZ.

    For everything else, EXT4, and for OS-shared storage, NTFS.

    But it took AGES to arrive to this conclusion. Beginners will have their heads spun at this choice, guaranteed. It's frustrating.

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

    I did NTFS because both windows and Linux can read it. Do I know literally any other fact about formatting systems? Nope. I'm pretty sure I don't need to, I'm normie-adjacent. I just want my system to work so I can use the internet, play games, and do word processing.

    [–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    New Linux Users don't even know the difference.

    [–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    Yeah hi that's me - I just use pop_os and everything works so I just roll with it

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

    PopOS is great! I have used a few other (but never strayed far from APT), and I also did some light reading when doing my final decision . PopOS was the best fit for and easy-to-use OS without Snaps. Linux is great and all with how much control you have, but I want as little maintenance as possible for my daily driver.

    [–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

    #You are perfectly right.

    All major distributions offer all major Environments. I currently use either Debian or Ubuntu and usually install by booting the Netinstall.iso right from the official Servers which installs just the base system without any GUI at all. Then I use tasksel to select the environment. Ok, not every Environment is part of Tasksel but often it is just adding another Repository and running another apt install operation.

    And yes, on my experimental computer I often install a dozen environments just because I can. Selectable at Login-Screen.

    But now somethings VERY important from someone with 35 years of POSIX experience:

    If you are a newby FOR GODS SAKE USE UBUNTU.

    And if you are a pro... Ubuntu still is a very good option. Only if your have VERY GOOD REASONS which you COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND, only then use something else. Which is Debian for me.

    [–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    If you are a newby FOR GODS SAKE USE UBUNTU.

    As someone who only a couple of years ago made the jump to linux. I'd also recommend PopOS super easy to start with.

    [–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago

    PopOS is a sure way of getting into ten times more problems than Ubuntu.

    Seriously, I know them all. Started with NetBSD in 1991, used pretty much everything.

    If your system isn't super weird then Ubuntu is the most relaxed experience you will ever have as a newby.

    (And yes, I am not using Ubuntu currently. But then, I hat 35 years of POSIX/Unix/Linux experience)

    [–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    For windows users that go to Linux I always recommend KDE as it looks like windows and it's easy for them to understand and use it!

    [–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    Start recommending Cinnamon then, it's the best DE when switching from Windows.

    [–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    Whats better in cinnamon in your opinion?

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    It's really similar to Windows in how you use it. Switching between Windows 11 and Cinnamon is as seamless as it can be.

    There's almost no configuration or anything necessary, you just install it and it's great.