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[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 10 points 2 years ago (7 children)

I just want to talk at the fellas here. Man to man.

If you do this shit, the women will leave and not come back. I know the incels are going to think that's typical female behavior, and I'm here to say, no, it's not. It's typical for someone, of any gender, to want to exit a situation where they feel vulnerable, and that's what is happening.

Think of it like this: you end up in prison, and your naked, alone, you have no allies or friends, while taking a shower with about 100 other dudes, and Bubba comes over with a grin saying "you're awful pretty". How would you feel? I'm guessing you would want to nope the hell out of there and never take a shower with Bubba in the room, ever again. And that's natural. You were in danger, you want to avoid that danger. While the circumstances might be different for the women you're interacting with, that raw emotion, the exact same one you would have felt with Bubba talking about how pretty you are, the feeling that gave you, it's exactly the same.

Now think, after Bubba made such a statement, what could Bubba do to win your trust to shower next to them again at all? Probably not much. Same deal fellas. There's little to nothing you can do or say to make them feel comfortable being around you when you've done something that inspires that unsafe feeling of danger.

Now, how could Bubba avoid the situation of you feeling like you're in danger and wanting to get out of there. A reassurance? Like Bubba instead saying "don't worry, I'll protect you".... You're going to wonder "from what?" Because until Bubba spoke up, you had no feeling of danger. How does that make you feel? Well, I would feel like there's danger that Bubba knows about that I don't, so now I'm on edge, looking for what Bubba is talking about, and all of a sudden, I'm having the same feeling of danger, just this time from an unknown assailant. That's not good either. I'd still want to gtfo and not go back. Worse now since I don't know what the danger actually is. Not only would I not want to shower with Bubba nearby like in the previous scenario, but now I don't want to be left alone with anyone.

Same deal fellas. By trying to reassure the lady, you imply that there's danger indirectly; she gets creeped out and leaves to not come back.

So, what's the right thing to do here?

It's easier than you think. Treat them like you would any of your male friends. Treat them like a person. You don't need to reassure your male friends that you'll protect them, nor do you feel the need to defend them when their "honor" is challenged. Let them handle it, but have their back if they need you.... and only if they need you.

Be a friend first, and if something happens that makes your relationship with that person, more than just friends, so much the better. Don't expect it, women aren't slot machines, where you put in enough tokens of niceness and eventually you win the sex jackpot. It doesn't work that way. It never has, and it never will. You can't force someone to like you, and if you try, you'll either take any attraction that they might have had for you, and destroy it, and/or simply cause them to feel unsafe and creeped out, and they'll find a way to exit and never return.

People, regardless of gender, just want to do things they enjoy. If you also enjoy those things, then engage in the enjoyment of those things with the other people who enjoy them. Don't make it about gender. If, beyond that, you both like eachother, you'll find a way to spend more time together and that's when things can grow to more than just being friendly, as long as you're both agreeable to it.

If you continually obsess over the fact that their anatomy is different, you'll end up filling whatever negative ideas you have about the other gender, and push yourself so deep into a hole of confirmation bias that you may never recover. Just be people. Treat others the same, as people.

I believe in you. You can do better. Always improving.

You will fall, you will be rejected, you will have set backs. And that's all normal. It's a part of learning. You got this.

[–] Nom@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This is some nice advice but

Treat them like you would any of your male friends.

Don't do this. Understand that you wouldn't do this with any random guy either. As with any new acquaintances everyone is cautious in the beginning and women more so. Whether you find the new girl appealing or not all you have to do is cautiously get to know her through your interactions with her, like any other relations you may build with initial strangers and get used to their presence and predilections.

[–] Jank@literature.cafe 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You're telling me not to rip a wicked funny fart and sock her hard in the shoulder when she's too much of a panty waist to laugh? Pfsh.

Some guys have no idea how to talk to chicks.

[–] Nom@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago

SHHH!! Don't say that shit out loud you're gonna raise the competition.

[–] lessthanluigi@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Lemmy is the best social media platform out there, holy shit

[–] Zacryon@lemmy.wtf 1 points 2 years ago

Good, that you finally realize. :p

[–] daltotron@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Think of it like this: you end up in prison, and your naked, alone, you have no allies or friends, while taking a shower with about 100 other dudes, and Bubba comes over with a grin saying “you’re awful pretty”. How would you feel?

Erect?

[–] noughtnaut@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Thank you for this. You are eloquently and (hopefully) non-threateningly (is that even a word?) stating a message that really, really needs to be said again and again until everyone friggin' gets it.

[–] MeDuViNoX@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Thanks Chat GPT-4, life is so much better since you came along!

[–] Macros@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

This text is not from generative AI like GPT-4.

How do I know?

  • Its original, e.g. the part around bubba. And with original I do not mean the exact phrase but the idea of the simile.
  • Is is not generic. A genAI always resorts to getting very generic the longer the text it is forced to generate is.
  • I does not follow a usual structure. genAI resorts to following a language teachers paradigm. Introduction, main part, conclusion.

and other minor signs.

This is just a fellow human giving solid advice.

[–] MeDuViNoX@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago

Thank you GPT-4.5, you truly are an update.

[–] chakan2@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

TIL - asking someone on a date is the equivalent of prison rape.

[–] Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Incel detected, opinion rejected

[–] TheLowestStone@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

If this is what you gleaned from reading all of that then yes, YOU asking someone on a date may be the equivalent of prison rape.

[–] gmtom@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Imma be real with you. I ain't reading all that.

[–] Illuminostro@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

You'd probably like TikTok.

[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm done with the bars and their drunks, and the apps with the spying, out of school, and don't date coworkers, the advice given to me every time I complain about the fact that there are no other "third places" to meet women romantically 100% of the time is "get a hobby." Well, see above. There is no place, women do not want to be talked to anywhere but the bar or apps which ime have been bad places to find long-term companionship.

Can we do something about this? Can we maybe start "bars" where the focus isn't alcohol but it is socially acceptable to say "hey I think you're cute wanna go get some damn coffee?"

[–] Syrc@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

I’ve heard of a club in my country where you put on a colored bracelet based on whether or not are you looking for a partner. Seemed like a cool idea but I think it didn’t catch on.

[–] Rakonat@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Your best bet is to try and find groups with better ratios of guys to gals. These groups tend to self regulate and give the creeps the boot.

People play fantasy games to live out their fantasies. And for some sad people, their fantasy is to touch women because they act so repulsively no one wants to risk getting close to them.

[–] CaptainHowdy@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago

I have never seen this actually happen and I have a lot of experience with gaming with randos (I'm old and I also started a gaming club in college that had over 75 members with at least 15 of them being female). I've been playing MTG and D&D at local shops for decades now and I've never once seen other dudes simping or fighting over a girl at the table.

Not saying it can't happen, nerds are nerds and do often lack social skills. But from my experience (and from what I've heard from my female gamer friends), this has got to be a rare situation.

[–] fiend_unpleasant@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

No one on 4chan believed her because of rule 30 and because "they didn't know that you can play games in the kitchen". I can read the comments without the comments.

[–] daltotron@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

You know, it really makes it feel like those comments are particularly useless when, just by having used the website for a long enough time, you can imagine them simply by the scars they have branded onto your thinking goo. It becomes totally redundant at that point, totally useless, even worse than it having contributed nothing but empty space in the first place, it now occupies empty space in the brain. It's like old farts constantly remembering and bantering about ad jingles from their youth, it fills me with dread.

[–] Iceblade02@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

On the one hand, I sympathize - on the other, it'd be awesome to find someone who shares my interests.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 years ago

If it's an overwhelmingly male group, just wait. If she's looking for a boyfriend then she'll come on to one of you first. For the men it's a prisoner's dilemma; your chances are really bad.

[–] MargotRobbie@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This is why a lot of women keep our nerdy hobbies to ourselves and don't really talk about them much in public.

People get weird.

[–] Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

My wife plays FPS games and doesn't even speak because the moment she does, half the dudes feel like they need to show off and get her attention, and the other half get sexually frustrated and laser focus on only her.

[–] spikederailed@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

In counter strike it seems to manifest pretty quickly as misogyny.

[–] Skates@feddit.nl 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

millions of years of evolution wiring our brains to make sex feel good so we don't accidentally kill off the human race by forgetting to do it

dumbasses want to play badminton or some shit instead

Well ok.

[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago

I’ll save her.

[–] SeattleRain@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago

Most women won't even accept a strange man into their activities. That's why you don't hear about this happening to men. Because unwanted sexual advances from women on men in women's friends circles definitely happen I can tell you from first hand experience. And women tend to be very insensitive to men's sexuality and not only encourage it but pressure you accept the advances because men "go for anything" so it shouldn't make a difference to you.