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The Americans chose, or allowed their opponents to choose him. The voters own all of the next 4 years.
But yes, when was the last time inaction in protest worked?
What happens in 4 years? I’d be surprised if there was another election for a while.
They'll have an election. You just won't be allowed to vote against the glorious leader.
Or a marginally less cynical take, targeted voter surpression will mean that only republicans get elected president. So in four years they'll get president Vance.
It'll be sooner, I think.
How does that work in US politics? Can Congress raise a vote of no confidence?
Their process is more complicated.
For congress to remove Trump first the house needs to vote with a 50% majority to impeach Trump for “Treason, bribery, or high crimes” the house does get to decide if something Trump has done meets that bar.
Then the senate needs to decide to have a trial not a criminal or civil trial, but a trial to decide of Trump should be removed from office.
Then the house gets to present its case proving the crime, then if the senate votes with a 2/3rds majority to convict, Trump would e removed from office, and barred from any future government office. If convicted, VP Vance would become the president until the next election.
Impeachment is a remedial process, not a punitive one, it can only remove Trump from office it can’t punish him for his crimes, though he may face a separate criminal trial for the same crime at that point.
So, remember how a few months ago, the South Korean president and defense minister declared martial law and tried to openly stage a military coup?
I expect that to happen here. Congress won’t do shit about it - they’ll lean into it, because the “opposition” has all the backbone of a sea cucumber, and the GOP congresspersons have either drunk the kool-aid, or (like the “opposition”) have been scared into compliance.
And I expect the insurrection act to be invoked (which lets the president deputize more or less whoever he wants… so, proud boys et al will be the new brownshirts). And I don’t think many people understand how much of a real threat those wingnut militias are. They’ve got a LOT more guerrilla/resistance-cell-type organization than most realize. It’s one of the reasons I’m so deeply concerned about this whole shitshow. And one of his first act was to pardon a few thousand people, a lot of whom were involved in or sympathetic to those militias, so he’s got died-hard followers in that crowd. Like, “I won’t ever question your orders” die hard. He’s made himself into a very literal savior figure for them.
Discounting your allies here in the states will only help Trump. Good job, Trump and Vance approved of this message
I'm serious. They love you for this. They love that you said this. Dismissing the dissenters here in the States is a great fascist tactic.
Thanks. Kudos to you!!
Here’s how it works:
You live in a country that has declared war on a much smaller neighbour. (Sure, for now it’s just economic, but cf. Warren Buffet.)
The victims of the aggression from your region are under no obligation to investigate your personal innocence in the matter.
If you are an ally, the responsibility to demonstrate that is entirely yours. Also, the bar is naturally high, as your fascist government has repeatedly threatened our sovereignty and territory.
So suck it up and read up on Denmark or France in 1940.
We get it. Bring on the pain. Seriously. Fuck Trump.
If we’re truly a government “of the people, by the people, and for the people” then we did it to ourselves.
If we’re not that then we should “dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another”
It’s on ourselves. It sucks but here we are….
We've been railroaded if not cheated every step of the way. It's not our fault, though it is our responsibility
Hail yourself!
That bit makes more sense when you factor in Scotus making corporations people.
Yeah, as an American I think we are truly fucked AND fucking over allies for no good reason.
I get the vitriol, we have to accept that and see if we can pull our collective heads out of our collective asses in the coming year or so.
No, you need to take to the streets and stop this madness RIGHT NOW
You are watching your house on fire and saying "well we done fucked up, maybe we'll sleep it off and come next week with some water"
You will not have a country to save in 2 yers and hoping on the midterms is like curing cancer with thoughts and prayers
Pretty much, yeah. Republicans are malignant tumors.
It’s not about republicans, democrats, left or right anymore. It’s all Americans. As a Canadian I don’t see the difference anymore, your entire country is now an enemy
I can get that from a feelings perspective or a reductionist view for simplicity in certain applications, but applying even a little intellect it's obvious that while statistically, yes America is mostly full of undereducated hateful bigots, it's of course plenty easy to find large pockets of perfectly reasonable people. Be careful with oversimplifying the situation.
As another Canadian, I'd like to say that this dude does not speak for us all. We understand the cancer you're dealing with. Our tumors are smaller and less likely to metastasize but they are still there festering trying to eat their way to the surface.
We’re a different kind of Canadian, i mean i hate the Canadian government too but I’m of native blood so nothing you guys say is gonna make me see Americans as a whole favourably, you may say “don’t generalize” but we all do it, including you
Not really "our government". Trump has chosen to do this.
It is your government. This is your head of state and the head of the US government weilding power that once belonged to Congress but ceeded to the executive branch about a hundred years ago. This man represents you.
I understand it is uncomfortable. That you wish it wasn't so I get it... But Do not diminish this fact because these are the stakes. He is your, I repeat Your, Government. Do not wash your hands of him acting as he does because in your silence and denial he still acts on your behalf and you need so much more than silence and denial.
The government didn't wake up one day and decide to do this, Trump did. Absent Trump this wouldn't be happening because nobody else is this stupid.
Your government design and allocation of power made it so one person could do this. Trump is simply the first to flaunt the social contract this brazenly. There was no lock on the door, only a verbal agreement not to go through it.
Once this is done, once Trump is deposed the fight will not be over. Measures must be enacted to make the systems safe so that another Trump can't do this ever again. The system is just as liable for this happening as the man himself. We need to stop thinking in terms of singular bad actors and recognize faults in system design because otherwise it is just a waiting game for the next bad actor to do just as bad or worse.
Stop trying to be so edgy, asshole. I didn't ask for this, and basically nobody else on Lemmy did either simply based on user demographics. Even younger-middle-aged people have only been eligible to vote in a handful of presidential elections, and we're fighting decades of gerrymandering, bribery, greed, and billions of dollars in corporate money propaganda campaigns. Basically all there is for me to do is vote at the polls and put my money where my mouth is, which I'm already doing. I'm not going to go out and riot and be sent to jail so I can lose everything because Walmart thought Trump would yield another half a percent to their stock prices.
When something comes up that I can do, I'll join in, but I'm not going to have randos berate me for BS I never asked for.
Well quite frankly nobody asked for this. But we have it and we're not the first fucking generation to have to put aome skin on the line to make the place we live habitable after everything goes to shit. If you think all you can do is wait to cash your ballot or wave a sign then I am speaking to you. It's time to organize better and move because it is only going to get worse from here.
You are free to ignore this. You are free to go quietly. But keep your destructive apathy to yourself. More of us have to look apathy and personal disenfranchisement from the system in the eye and see it as the weight that stops any of this from ever getting better.
Trump is your government.
For now he is, yes. This country if fucking dogshit...
Nope you guys wanted this by either not voting or by voting trump.
Imo its more nuanced than that.
If there was only the popular vote, which makes more sense than electorate fuckery, we would have avoided round 1 in 2016.
The system of political choice is really broken in the US, that was just one example. None of us chose the political system we use, we are presented with limited and similar options for representation every two years in a first past the post vote.
I agree that we failed to prevent this, but the system is kind of rigged
This is like saying the Jewish people deserved the Holocaust... Purely because they were the minority.
If Trump backs down on the tariffs, Canada should only back down halfway. Make it clear there are permanent consequences every time he fucks with the world economy on a whim.
It's not an optional strategy even though it feels like it should be. With this kind of animal you either go tit for tat or scorched earth.
It's not Trump you're negotiating with with that kind of strategy. It's the GOP.
I meant to write optimal, sorry.
The problem with trying to sway the GOP is that right now each one of them is about as charming as a poultry farm, and you need some charisma to build an oppositional faction within the party. If you were talking about a Schwarzenegger-led "normalcy" caucus we'd be cooking, but the current rogue's gallery is as dull as dishwater and half as palatable.
We know.
We get it. By all means, Trudeau, bring the pain. Show America there are consequences. If you don’t, this will happen again. And again. And again.