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    Background: 15 years of experience in software and apparently spoiled because it was already set up correctly.

    Been practicing doing my own servers, published a test site and 24 hours later, root was compromised.

    Rolled back to the backup before I made it public and now I have a security checklist.

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    [–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

    Basic setup for me is scripted on a new system. In regards to ssh, I make sure:

    • Root account is disabled, sudo only
    • ssh only by keys
    • sshd blocks all users but a few, via AllowUsers
    • All 'default usernames' are removed, like ec2-user or ubuntu for AWS ec2 systems
    • The default ssh port moved if ssh has to be exposed to the Internet. No, this doesn't make it "more secure" but damn, it reduces the script denials in my system logs, fight me.
    • Services are only allowed connections by an allow list of IPs or subnets. Internal, when possible.

    My systems are not "unhackable" but not low-hanging fruit, either. I assume everything I have out there can be hacked by someone SUPER determined, and have a vector of protection to mitigate backwash in case they gain full access.

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago
    • The default ssh port moved if ssh has to be exposed to the Internet. No, this doesn't make it "more secure" but damn, it reduces the script denials in my system logs, fight me.

    Gosh I get unreasonably frustrated when someone says yeah but that's just security through obscurity. Like yeah, we all know what nmap is, a persistent threat will just look at all 65535 and figure out where ssh is listening.. But if you change your threat model and talk about bots? Logs are much cleaner and moving ports gets rid of a lot of traffic. Obviously so does enabling keys only.

    Also does anyone still port knock these days?

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

    One time, I didn’t realize I had allowed all users to log in via ssh, and I had a user “steam” whose password was just “steam”.

    “Hey, why is this Valheim server running like shit?”

    “Wtf is xrx?”

    “Oh, it looks like it’s mining crypto. Cool. Welp, gotta nuke this whole box now.”

    So anyway, now I use NixOS.

    [–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

    Interesting. Do you know how it got compromised?

    [–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

    I published it to the internet and the next day, I couldn't ssh into the server anymore with my user account and something was off.

    Tried root + password, also failed.

    Immediately facepalmed because the password was the generic 8 characters and there was no fail2ban to stop guessing.

    [–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

    Don't use passwords for ssh. Use keys and disable password authentication.

    [–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

    More importantly, don't open up SSH to public access. Use a VPN connection to the server. This is really easy to do with Netbird, Tailscale, etc. You should only ever be able to connect to SSH privately, never over the public net.

    [–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

    It's perfectly safe to run SSH on port 22 towards the open Internet with public key authentication only.

    [–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

    https://nvd.nist.gov/vuln/detail/cve-2024-6409 RCE as root without authentication via Open SSH. If they've got a connection, that's more than nothing and sometimes it's enough.

    [–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

    That attack vector is exactly the same towards a VPN.

    [–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

    A VPN like Wireguard can run over UDP on a random port which is nearly impossible to discover for an attacker. Unlike sshd, it won't even show up in a portscan.

    This was a specific design goal of Wireguard by the way (see "5.1 Silence is a virtue" here https://www.wireguard.com/papers/wireguard.pdf)

    It also acts as a catch-all for all your services, so instead of worrying about the security of all the different sshds or other services you may have exposed, you just have to keep your vpn up to date.

    [–] [email protected] -1 points 1 month ago

    Yeah I don't do security via obscurity :D I agree you need to keep your Internet facing services up to date.

    (No need to educate me on Wireguard, I use it. My day job is slightly relevant to the discussion)

    [–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

    Do not allow username/password login for ssh. Force certificate authentication only!

    [–] [email protected] -1 points 1 month ago

    Why though? If u have a strong password, it will take eternity to brute force

    [–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

    I've been quite stupid with this but never really had issues. Ever since I changed the open ssh port from 22 to something else, my server is basically ignored by botnets. These days I obviously also have some other tricks like fail2ban, but it was funny how effective that was.

    [–] [email protected] -1 points 1 month ago

    We’re not really supposed to expose the ssh port to the internet at all. Better to hide it behind a vpn.

    But it’s too damn convenient for so many use cases. Fuck it. Fail2Ban works fine.

    You can also set up an ssh tarpit on port 22, which will tie up the bot’s resources and get them stuck in a loop for a while. But I didn’t think it was worth attracting extra attention from the bot admins to satisfy my pettiness.

    [–] [email protected] -1 points 1 month ago

    I'm confused. I never disable root user and never got hacked.

    Is the issue that the app is coded in a shitty way maybe ?