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[–] WatDabney@lemmy.dbzer0.com 64 points 9 months ago (22 children)

That's what Daddy Putin wants, so that's what Daddy Putin gets.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 7 points 9 months ago

This is what America wanted. Biden made no effort to provide Ukraine with the weapons to win.

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[–] Hobbes_Dent@lemmy.world 26 points 9 months ago

Deadbeat dad doesn’t even begin to describe the abandonment.

[–] Tyrangle@lemmy.world 24 points 9 months ago

Wouldn't this have had value as a bargaining chip in peace talks? The fact that they're saying this now suggests that they're about to pressure Ukraine into a truly shitty deal.

[–] meowmeowbeanz@sh.itjust.works 22 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Security guarantees? Europe's picking up the tab while Washington cashes out. Hegseth's "pragmatic evaluation" means funneling Europe's GDP into Lockheed Martin's quarterly reports. NATO's 5% defense spending target? A $2.3 trillion shakedown disguised as collective security. The Continent's industrial base is now a Pentagon subcontractor.

Crimea's gone. Zelensky's bargaining chips? A lithium deposit map and a graveyard of Leopard tanks. The "non-NATO peacekeeping mission" is just a rebrand for EU cannon fodder patrols. Von der Leyen's already drafting memos about "volunteer brigades" staffed by unemployed Iberian welders.

The real "negotiated settlement": Trump's Mar-a-Lago membership roster now includes Rosneft executives. Europe gets to foot the bill for demining Donbas while Chevron drills the Black Sea.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 15 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The fact that Europeans bet their whole future on a politically unstable country that can completely change its entire policy every four years will never stop being hilarious.

[–] meowmeowbeanz@sh.itjust.works 5 points 9 months ago

Europe's gamble isn't just hilarious; it's tragicomic. Hitching your entire geopolitical wagon to a nation that treats foreign policy like a reality TV show is less strategy and more roulette. Every election cycle, Europe braces for the next wildcard—will it be isolationism or interventionism? Nobody knows, least of all the Americans.

Meanwhile, the EU's "unity" is a patchwork quilt of conflicting interests, stitched together with bureaucratic duct tape. Betting on stability from across the Atlantic while your own house is on fire? That’s not foresight; it’s delusion.

The real punchline? Europe bankrolls this circus while Washington reaps the dividends. At this rate, they might as well start paying for campaign ads in Iowa.

[–] pelikan@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Literally the same words said in December 2021 could possibly prevent:

  • invasion of Ukraine;
  • death of dozens or hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians and turning of millions of Ukrainians to refugees;
  • destruction of dozens of Ukrainian cities;
  • loss of Ukrainian territory to Russia;
  • loss of Ukrainian rare minerals to US.

The Trump administration is just saying loud what all the other NATO governors have been hiding. No one ever planned to fight Russia for Ukraine and the only destiny for Ukrainian aboriginals is to be used as proxy cannon fodder to fight one of NATO's bogeymen.

NATO countries never cared about Ukraine's casualities to the point that they decided that Ukrainian lives were worth less than a signed piece of paper with the aforementioned statement: 'No NATO for Ukraine'. Everything that happens to the people of Ukraine is just collateral damage on the way to the main goal – to harm Russia. The colonizer mentality (so well known to many NATO countries) never changes.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 16 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I love how you get downvoted for stating the obvious.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Why stop now: they’ve been downvoting us for saying these same things for years.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 8 points 9 months ago

voting is the only way libs know how to engage politically after all

[–] tiredturtle@lemmy.ml 18 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Under this deal, Putin gets to annex key territories while Ukraine is kept out of NATO and left without American peacekeepers, forcing Europe to buy U.S. military gear. Imperialist powers divide and weaken working people by keeping nations in chaos and under constant threat. This brief period of "peace" isn't for long as capitalist interests allow Russia to regroup and rearm. Ukraine remains in a disordered, free-for-all state under imperialist influences. In time, this setup could let Russia launch an invasion through Odessa to connect with Transnistria.

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[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 16 points 9 months ago (1 children)

We get:

  • Nothing

You get:

  • Less than nothing

What a fucking great deal!

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 11 points 9 months ago (1 children)

What a fucking great deal!

Somehow it's always like that when some country get to serve as US proxy.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 3 points 9 months ago

TBF the compradors get money & power, and if they’re really lucky they don’t get whacked.

[–] Fidel_Cashflow@lemmy.ml 16 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

a tale as old as time itself

[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 12 points 9 months ago (1 children)

What level do you need to be to cast Bubble of Illusion?

[–] scholar@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Level of Permenant Member with Veto Status (I don't know if they could block them joining, but I imagine they could)

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

Any nato member can prevent anyone from joining.

[–] Tm12@lemmy.ca 10 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Russia will eye Europe, and USA will keep eyeing Canada and Greenland.

[–] Hobbes_Dent@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Only a matter of time before they fabricate a reason for the public to believe and then they will invade.

And they will believe it. He’s already saying “matter of national security”. Americans have truly abandoned us. Half of them are still just waiting for the eggs while they prepare to invade other countries to play three player RISK before they die and leave the remainder for the climate.

[–] whostosay@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

They're only divided by a small strait, why can't we just stop all of the comical geopolitical attention grabs and just watch the US and Russia kiss?

[–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 10 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Get ready to see a wave of far right terrorist attacks on US/European soil when they realize what we've been ridiculed for saying from day one: they were used as cannon fodder, there was never any intention of NATO membership

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 8 points 9 months ago

Europe is rapidly entering the finding out stages of fucking around.

[–] Lodespawn@aussie.zone 10 points 9 months ago

I'm surprised a Nazi like Hegseth wants to help Russia so bad.

[–] peaceful_world_view@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Putin's investments are now paying dividends.

[–] chickentendrils@lemmy.ml 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Everyone making decisions in either country for decades has been gunning for a war in Europe or actively profiting off of this one. The war will continue as long as it can by throwing money at it unless there's simply more to be made buying up the aftermath and installing collaborators to impose World Bank/IMF austerity for generations, or the bottom is rising up.

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