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Utah to use pentobarbital to execute man instead of three-drug combination (www.theguardian.com)
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Defense attorneys said the use of ketamine, fentanyl and potassium chloride could cause ‘excruciating suffering’

Utah officials said on Saturday that they are scrapping plans to use an untested lethal drug combination in next month’s planned execution of a man in a 1998 murder case. They will instead seek out a drug that’s been used previously in executions in numerous states.

Defense attorneys for Taberon Dave Honie, 49, had sued in state court to stop the use of the drug combination, saying it could cause the defendant “excruciating suffering”.

The execution scheduled for 8 August would be Utah’s first since the 2010 execution of Ronnie Lee Gardner, by firing squad.

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[–] TheDoozer@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (3 children)

So to preface, I am absolutely and without reservation against the death penalty, so any state-sanctioned murder is unacceptable to me.

That being said, if they're going for painless, why not just a captive bolt stunner the their brain stem? Like, having them lie back in a massage table with a container for the blood (heaven forbid the audience should experience the discomfort of gore with their death spectacle), and just pop it when it's time. Guaranteed to shut them off, mess is handled, suitable for a casket, and no suffering. They wouldn't even have a chance to feel it.

And if the thought of putting a human down like cattle is disturbing to you, good. It should be, just like any other way we would keep somebody locked up waiting to be killed.

[–] mecfs@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Honestly, the guillotine was the peak. Every new method since then is simply more for the viewers comfort than the actual person dyingz

[–] kn33@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

*as long as the blade is kept sharp

[–] mecfs@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago

are there a significant number of reported “botched executions” with guillotine? Even if the weight is blunt, it is so heavy and comes down at such a force that it would likely break the spine and destroy the brain steam and cause a near instant death.

[–] LordGimp@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

As a welder who has been trained to be very afraid of peacefully going to sleep in a forever nap, I have never understood why inert gas asphyxiation isn't widely used. It's literally easier than falling asleep and you can use the same gas over and over again.

[–] Lyrl@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago

Alabama tried that and managed to screw it up. You have to remove the carbon dioxide in the exhales to prevent the feeling of suffocation, and they didn't provide enough nitrogen flow to do that. Took like twenty minutes of clearly desperate gasping and convulsions for the guy to pass.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I’m also against the death penalty entirely, but I’ve always wondered why they need to be conscious. Why can’t they put them under general anesthesia, then push the chemical while they’re unconscious?

[–] TheDoozer@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That is, ideally, what they want to do. However, to do it properly you would need a doctor, and doctors won't help because of the whole "do no harm" thing. Kind of against their whole thing.

[–] harrys_balzac@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Have you been to Utah? There's probably a few "good Mormon" doctors who would do it, citing deep scripture regarding blood atonement and that kind of BS.

[–] Cort@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Yeah and there's probably a few actually good doctors on the medical board who would yank their licenses in a fucking heartbeat for participating.

[–] Randomgal@lemmy.ca -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Pretty sure somewhere in their holy book says "Do not kill", so probably Mormon has nothing to do with it. An atheist would have less reservations, probably.

[–] harrys_balzac@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Hahaha. The third chapter into the book, the big "good" guy - Nephi - kills a dude because the voice in his head - the "Holy Spirit" - tells him they need a book the guy has.

Ever hear of the Mountain Meadows massacre? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_Meadows_Massacre?wprov=sfla1

Or how about something more recent? Jeffrey R Holland - an Apostle of Jesus Christ - essentially telling Mormons to get their muskets ready to defend themselves against gay & trans people?

https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2021/08/23/we-must-have-will-stand/

Even better - how that talk is required reading/listening at BYU?

https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/byu-freshmen-controversial-musket-fire-speech-mormon-lgbtq-utah-rcna143891

Mor[m]onism has always been violent and has embraced authoritarianism from the very beginning. Their proselytizing is just another form of colonialism and sending 18-19 year olds on missions (and having them pay for it) is just world-class brainwashing.

[–] Randomgal@lemmy.ca -1 points 2 years ago

You know you can say this about pretty much any religion, right? Yet most people don't go "Hey, God nuked Sodom, that means nuking is okay."

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

"Whatever. As long as we get to kill a man who committed a crime more than 25 years later. Because that's what we call Utah justice."

[–] Texas_Hangover@lemm.ee -5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Agreed, he should have been killed a lot sooner.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Or maybe the state shouldn’t have the power of life and death over it’s citizens since you can’t unkill an innocent person.

[–] Icalasari@fedia.io 1 points 2 years ago

Ye. I do think the death penalty has a place, but it's for the most extreme cases where it is 100% obvious that not only did they do it, but them being alive is a threat

It happens, but is REALLY rare

[–] sunbytes@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Give me a firing squad every time.

Most of these "ethical" (i.e. clean) methods would be considered torture if they were non-lethal.

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Stop calling it "execution". Call it what it is: Murder

[–] nnjethro@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Whether you agree with capital punishment or not, "execution" is the more accurate definition. "Putting to death especially as a legal penalty".

Execution is a penalty for murder.

[–] verdantbanana@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

not fine to deal fentanyl if you are an average citizen but more than okay if you are the justice system and intentionally OD someone

this is what happens when a cop lover with a prosecutor for a vice gets voted in

[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Yes, Biden and Harris are responsible for Utah's state execution policies.

What kind of dumbass hot take is that?