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[โ€“] GrumpyDuckling@sh.itjust.works 29 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Simplified writing is good writing.

[โ€“] iii@mander.xyz 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[โ€“] konalt@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[โ€“] eldavi@lemmy.ml 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

i don't bother to simplify it even though i probably should since people hate it so much they try to take their anger out on me.

[โ€“] meekah@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I don't think you have any need to simplify, but some more punctuation would definitely help with the readability of your comment

[โ€“] eldavi@lemmy.ml -2 points 11 months ago

americans & proper grammar/punctuation don't mix. lol

[โ€“] big_fat_fluffy@leminal.space -2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Not talking about simplified writing.

[โ€“] lolola@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

What are you talking about then

[โ€“] big_fat_fluffy@leminal.space 1 points 11 months ago

Constraining your topic

[โ€“] GrumpyDuckling@sh.itjust.works 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

It doesn't matter what you're writing, using plain language doesn't mean you're dumbing it down. It makes it easier to read and understand what you're trying to say. You can take corporate jargon as the opposite of this. It can be vague, different people will have different definitions of certain words.

https://www.grammarly.com/blog/writing-techniques/plain-language/

[โ€“] big_fat_fluffy@leminal.space -1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I just said that I don't mean plainer language.

[โ€“] GrumpyDuckling@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You can talk about the most complex topics with people as long as you know how to explain them in an easily digestible form. If you look at the titles of many scientific studies they will have long and convoluted titles that sound impressive, but in actuality could be refined into something much shorter and easier to understand.

[โ€“] big_fat_fluffy@leminal.space -1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

That is an opinion that I used to share. No more.

I have offered a dozen strange ideas here. Not difficult or complex, just strange. They are not received well.

[โ€“] GrumpyDuckling@sh.itjust.works 1 points 11 months ago

I read some of your post titles and there's definitely room to improve the simplicity of what you're trying to say.

[โ€“] inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

As my favorite philosopher, Natalie Wynn, said

I think it's heartwarming gibberish but there is also, I think, a legitimate role in the discourse for heartwarming gibberish. Sometimes you have to explain what being trans is to a person who believes that dogs go to heaven and, in most circumstances, saying "I'm a female soul in a male body" gets the point across.

As a disabled, trans, vegan, anarchist my life and beliefs are far more complicated than I could express in a comment section. So I tend not to lead with any of those labels and instead focus on quippy one liners about personal liberty from goverment or religious institutions.

No random person wants to read my nuanced memoirs, but they will read and remember pithy snark. I'm an anarchist that sounds like a libertarian fool, but it's the language that more people in mixed company relate to.

[โ€“] metaStatic@kbin.earth 4 points 11 months ago

I try not to label myself. it's extremely limiting by design. and this is a space where those limitations don't matter if you don't let them.

That being said I often self identify in the context of conversations about my interests.

[โ€“] Empricorn@feddit.nl 4 points 11 months ago

I'm disappointed there was no quippy one-liner or pithy snark in your comment. โ˜น๏ธ

[โ€“] big_fat_fluffy@leminal.space -3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

A kind of politics-flavored smalltalk. Yes, that is the local dialect.

Believe it or not, I have discussed subjects that matter deeply to me in online forums. But lately it's just fruitless fishing.

I think we have a thousand mob-squawks posing as niche communities. Different flavors, same conversations.

Completely open and popular forums are not entirely a good thing.

[โ€“] Zachariah@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago
[โ€“] metaStatic@kbin.earth 12 points 11 months ago

only after the downvotes.

Never assume your audience are idiots unless proven otherwise.

[โ€“] ValiantDust@feddit.org 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I think everybody should "dumb themselves down" on social media. Since you can only assume other people's background on a given topic and their grasp of (for example) English, you should write in a way that's understandable to as many people as possible while still getting your point across. That's just how good communication works.

[โ€“] big_fat_fluffy@leminal.space -2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I am not talking about better communication. If I was then I would have said "use a clearer style of speaking" or something like that.

I am talking about limiting what you discuss to the popular and easily-digested.

[โ€“] ValiantDust@feddit.org 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I wasn't just talking about using a cleaner style of speaking either. Choosing topics and the depth of these topics is part of communication as well. Those should be picked according to prior cues (the community you're in, previous exchanged comments etc.)

[โ€“] big_fat_fluffy@leminal.space -1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

"Should" is arguable. (For example you might be fishing for the few in the crowd) .

But yes, your choice of topic. That's what I'm talking about. Sometimes it looks pretty narrow.

And if you do. Well, that carries with it it's own bucket of implications.

[โ€“] dumbass@leminal.space 8 points 11 months ago

Nah, I'm just this dumb.

[โ€“] jared@mander.xyz 7 points 11 months ago

I do so less here than I would other places.

[โ€“] SoulWager@lemmy.ml 7 points 11 months ago

Not often. Certainly not when I'm shouting into the void.

When I'm answering a question or responding to a statement, I'll generally match the level of the existing discussion. I still try to say what I mean, but I'll try to avoid concepts with a lot of missing prerequisites. Target audience matters too, if you ask me how orbital rendezvous works, you'll get a different answer depending on where you ask the question. For example, I'd probably skip explaining how orbits themselves work if you asked in a community dedicated to kerbal space program or children of a dead earth, focusing instead on what the person asking is probably trying to do. Similarly, a comment in a community dedicated to real life space exploration is getting a more detailed answer than the same question in a community for the general public. Basically different assumptions about what the person already knows, and what the person wants to find out.

[โ€“] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Not really but I do know my audience and I will alter the presentation of information

[โ€“] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 1 points 11 months ago

I try to rewrite for an audience that's unfamiliar with American idioms and will read any disagreement in a snotty tone of voice.

[โ€“] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 11 months ago

I try to be as simple as I can be without compromising the integrity of the points I make.

[โ€“] Dirk@lemmy.ml 4 points 11 months ago

Dumbing things down is a sign of respectlessness towards the audience. So no. I am not doing this. I sometimes write things in a shorter way due to the nature of the medium, though.

But my Mastodon instance is configured to allow up to 5000 character per message, so there is plenty of space if I feel like.

[โ€“] lemmyman@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

I do when I'm arguing with conservatives on Reddit. Otherwise I strive for clarity and simplicity but not dumbness

[โ€“] latenightnoir@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

I almost never do. It's actually a bit weird, I tend to ramble more in writing than I ever would while speaking and usually end up with mini-essays even for relatively straightforward ideas.

This is two-pronged, partly because I enjoy writing and expressing myself through it more than I do speaking, but it's mostly because I'm obsessive about conveying nuances with as much precision as I can, especially in a medium as restrictive to conveyance as writing is (thinking about not having non-verbal and other purely contextual cues at my disposal).

It's not like I intentionally bring out the expensive words just to flaunt my vocabulary (I even have issues with being perceived as pretentious), it's just that some things simply require the extra precision when expressing their full complexity.

P.S.: Jesus Christ...

[โ€“] Nemo@slrpnk.net 3 points 11 months ago
[โ€“] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 months ago

All the fucking time because it's not worth the effort and time

[โ€“] KazuchijouNo@lemy.lol 2 points 11 months ago
[โ€“] CaptPretentious@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

Closest things I use that's social media adjacent was Reddit and now here. I would say the two sites after years helped me dumb things down. Which was a real problem for me before hand. In college I was told, I was brilliant and had all the answers but I had a real problem communicating with most people.

[โ€“] ChaoticNumber@lemmy.ml 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Yes and no.

I think that there is a fine line between dumbing something down and sounding condescending. In time, I found that not treating people like morons is the best approach, i.e. accessible language and simple explanations must be used to aid in the speed and understanding of the information you are disseminating.

Because nobody wants to sit there and brainstorm something they don't understand, they'll just move on. But if you treat them like babies, people will just be annoyed and stop paying attention.

So its quite the nuanced subject, communication is an art-form.

We've all seen the "I'm very smart" people who come to social media, use random vocabulary vomit because they want to sound smart, and it happens here a lot. I agree with you, that's great if you can, and I won't say you "have to dumb yourself down", but often they do it to sound smart and want to feel superior because they think most people understand.

Actually a lot of people do understand them, they're just eye rolling at how pretentious they're being.

There's a balance. After all why use many word when some word do trick?

[โ€“] Shady_Shiroe@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

I get confused about if I'm dumbing it down for others, or for myself

[โ€“] Rentlar@beehaw.org 1 points 11 months ago

A little bit. If I offer too specific expert knowledge I could be doxxing myself, so I make a version that sounds like I just picked it out from the top search engine result, but works well enough as an answer.

[โ€“] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 1 points 11 months ago

Not really dumbing it down so much as framing in accessible language.

[โ€“] flicker@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

No but I edit for readability for ADHD, and also I limit the wordcount.

[โ€“] big_fat_fluffy@leminal.space 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I relate. I edit, then edit again. How anybody can come up with the right words the first time is beyond me. And ya, brevity is power.

[โ€“] flicker@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 11 months ago

Brevity is the soul of wit, and my soul is a delicious peanut butter fudge; dense as hell.

[โ€“] hanrahan@slrpnk.net 1 points 11 months ago
[โ€“] SacredHeartAttack@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

I try and use less words to get a point across, but in no way do I blunt or soften the point I am trying to make.

[โ€“] Soulifix@kbin.melroy.org 0 points 11 months ago

I almost don't want to. If you can't handle honesty, truths or straightforward and shoot-straight kind of opinions. Then engaging in communication is simply not for you and nobody should have to walk on eggshells all of the time to appease someone's incapable sense of getting the point.