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Judge allows testing of tissue from George Floyd as officer convicted of killing him seeks new trial (apnews.com)

submitted 1 year ago by octopus_ink@lemmy.ml to c/news@lemmy.world

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Schaetzel suggested that Floyd died of high levels of catecholamines, a neurohormone associated with the flight-or-fight response, or Takotsubo myocarditis, a heart condition caused by intense emotional or physical experiences.

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 104 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Schaetzel suggested that Floyd died of high levels of catecholamines, a neurohormone associated with the flight-or-fight response, or Takotsubo myocarditis, a heart condition caused by intense emotional or physical experiences.

What exactly was the cause of the intense emotional and physical experience in this case? Because that sure as fuck still sounds like murder to me.

If you're anaemic and I cut your arm and don't let you do anything about it and you slowly bleed to death, I still was the murderer even if the anaemia killed you.

[–] TheLowestStone@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

No no. You don't understand. It wasn't the knee on his neck that killed him. It was his feelings about the knee on his neck.

[–] schema@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"Your honor, he died from lack of oxygen and not because I strangled him"

[–] 7toed@midwest.social 6 points 1 year ago

He wasn't breathing when I was strangling him, therefore, your honor, I am innocent

[–] usualsuspect191@lemmy.ca 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

AKA the Eggshell Skull rule. I also don't see how it matters since the underlying cause was still the officers use of force.

[–] teawrecks@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 year ago

TIL. Unfortunately I feel like we live in a post-precedence world. As though somehow they're going to say, "sure, any normal jury would go with the eggshell rule...but you're no normal jury are you? You're special. You can see right through that EsTaBlIsHeD pReCeDeNcE hogwash and make the REAL right call 😈."

And somehow it will work.

[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 84 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Schaetzel suggested that Floyd died of high levels of catecholamines, a neurohormone associated with the flight-or-fight response, or Takotsubo myocarditis, a heart condition caused by intense emotional or physical experiences.

Experiences such as.... being pinned to the ground by a murderous thug and choked with his knee on your neck for nine minutes?

This mother fucker.

Unfortunately I can no longer find the uncensored version of this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clSpERAWR3o <-- If anyone else is familiar with this and knows of the uncensored hosted online somewhere, I'd love to know. This was very nearly the first video that made me realize something different was going to happen after this police killing.

[–] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you do find the original version please share it!

[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Will do! All you are really missing are a log of F-bombs, but it detracts a bit from the emotion of the situation to have them all bleeped out, IMO.

[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 45 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

DOJ opposing, but who listens to them anymore? They had four years to handle the Trump situation, and in a month they'll be taking their orders from him.

https://justthenews.com/government/courts-law/doj-urges-judge-reverse-decision-allowing-derek-chauvin-review-george-floyds

IMO this is all to remind Trump that Chauvin exists hoping for a pardon.

as part of the former Minneapolis police officer’s efforts to challenge his conviction on a federal civil rights charge

[–] MushuChupacabra@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago (1 children)

He's probably antsy after getting stabbed a bunch of times while serving his sentence.

Hopefully his latest maneuver fails miserably.

[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

He’s probably antsy after getting stabbed a bunch of times while serving his sentence.

Oh I didn't know about this somehow. Poor guy.

[–] Croquette@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

It took me a minute to notice the violin haha. Great meme

[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 33 points 1 year ago

Ah, the bullshit pseudo-scientific "excited delirium" defense.

[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 30 points 1 year ago (6 children)

If Trump pardons this fuck we're all marching on Washington, right?

[–] BeardedBlaze@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Who's we? If it's the group that didn't bother showing up to vote, I wouldn't hold your breath.

[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 12 points 1 year ago

Oof, that choice of words...

[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Trump pardons this fuck

What a beautiful way to stoke division after the recent sliver of solidarity after the CEO assassination

[–] CaptainSpaceman@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

There will be more

[–] HootinNHollerin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Shit will straight up explode everywhere if so

[–] Skiluros@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I am not from the US, so I might be out of league here, but haven't recent US protest movements been somewhat ineffectual?

In a global context, successful protests movements tend to take active measures; blockading of transport and key commercial zones, organisation on a level that makes security forces ask themselves uncomfortable questions.

To be fair, such movements also tend to have very strange support (be it broad based or high approval amongst a very large minority).

It is not my intention to be defeatist or overly critical, just some thoughts. I could be wrong.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sadly, yes. U.S. protest movements are generally not enough to make change. It takes a massive swing in public opinion before politicians consider doing something about it. Protesting helps, but it usually isn't enough. It took more than protesting to end the Vietnam War. Americans were majority in favour of it at the height of the protesting. And even when it started getting unpopular with the majority, Nixon didn't do anything about it until it benefitted him.

The only case I can think of where protesting (mostly) was enough- if you include the protests that did get violent and were deemed riots- is the civil rights movement. Even then, it took Kennedy getting assassinated for Johnson to put it through as a part of Kennedy's legacy. Was Kennedy ever going to push a civil rights act through? Was it all political hot air? We'll never know.

[–] Skiluros@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

With the US civil rights movement it's worth considering the international context too. The cold war was was it's early phase of intensity and it was difficult for US to compete in terms of soft power with formal discrimination laws. The world was undergoing intense decolonisation during that period.

That being said, I don't support a defeatist view of the viability of protest. But you do need clear goals and a sufficiently large core group of people willing to take risks.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I wasn't trying to be defeatist. That's why I said they were not enough. More than protesting has to be done. In the American political system, that means a shitload of lobbying and networking to get to the ears of the people who need to hear it. Plus doing whatever you can to get the media on your side. The media turning on Nixon (and vice-versa) was a big help in turning people against Vietnam. There was a real "if the president says so, it's okay" attitude before that.

[–] machinin@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As we've seen recently, there are things that individuals can do to make a difference.

[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Maybe Derek and Luigi could be in Gen Pop together.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

If you are waiting for the infamous straw that broke the camels back, I'm afraid it broke long ago, the camel is dead and nothing happened.

[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago

Only half his sentence is federal (violating Floyd's civil rights). Trump can't pardon the murder charges.

[–] garretble@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago

"a neurohormone associated with the flight-or-fight response"

Huh, I wonder what could have caused this response??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

[–] 58008@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

George could have just gotten done slaughtering a school bus full of kids using a chainsaw in a fentanyl-induced psychosis, it's kinda irrelevant. He was cuffed and under the control of three police officers. Chauvin remained on his neck minutes after he was already said to be without a pulse. He murdered him, intentionally, and made sure of it, and seemingly did so just to upset the horrified onlookers. If you are told that the handcuffed and prone guy you're kneeling on is dead, and your response isn't to render first aid, but instead to spend another few minutes crushing his neck... yeah, that's murder however you slice it.