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[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

Just takes one student with a screen reader to get screwed over lol

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I think most students are copying/pasting instructions to GPT, not uploading documents.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Right, but the whitespace between instructions wasn't whitespace at all but white text on white background instructions to poison the copy-paste.

Also the people who are using chatGPT to write the whole paper are probably not double-checking the pasted prompt. Some will, sure, but this isnt supposed to find all of them its supposed to catch some with a basically-0% false positive rate.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Yeah knocking out 99% of cheaters honestly is a pretty good strategy.

And for students, if you're reading through the prompt that carefully to see if it was poisoned, why not just put that same effort into actually doing the assignment?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Maybe I'm misunderstanding your point, so forgive me, but I expect carefully reading the prompt is still orders of magnitude less effort than actually writing a paper?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Eh, putting more than minimal effort into cheating seems to defeat the point to me. Even if it takes 10x less time, you wasted 1x or that to get one passing grade, for one assignment that you'll probably need for a test later anyway. Just spend the time and so the assignment.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Disagree. I coded up a matrix inverter that provided a step-by-step solution, so I don't have to invert them myself by hand. It was considerably more effort than the mind-boggling task of doing the assignment itself. Additionally, at least half of the satisfaction came from the simple fact of sticking it to the damn system.

My brain ain't doing any of your dumb assignments, but neither am I getting a less than an A. Ha.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Lol if this was a programming assignment, then I can 100% say that you are setting yourself up for failure, but hey you do you. I'm 15 years out of college right now, and I'm currently interviewing for software gigs. Programs like those homework assignments are your interviews, hate to tell you, but you'll be expected to recall those algorithms, from memory, without assistance, live, and put it on paper/whiteboard within 60 minutes - and then defend that you got it right. (And no, ChatGPT isn't allowed. Oh sure you can use it at work, I do it all the time, but not in your interviews)

But hey, you got it all figured out, so I'm sure not learning the material now won't hurt you later and interviewers won't catch on. I mean, I've said no to people who I caught cheating in my interviews, but I'm sure it won't happen to you.

For reference, literally just this week one of my questions was to first build an adjacency matrix and then come up with a solution for finding all of the disjointed groups within that matrix and then returning those in a sorted list from largest to smallest. I had 60 minutes to do it and I was graded on how much I completed, if it compiled, edge cases, run time, and space required. (again, you do not get ChatGPT, most of the time you don't get a full IDE - if you're lucky you get Intellisense or syntax highlighting. Sometimes it may be you alone writing on a whiteboard)

Of course that's just one interview, that's just the tech screen. Most companies will then move you onto a loop (or what everyone lovingly calls 'the Guantlet') which is 4 1 hour interviews in a single day, all exactly like that.

And just so you know, I was a C student, I was terrible in academia - but literally no one checks after school. They don't need to, you'll be proving it in your interviews. But hey, what do I know, I'm just some guy on the internet. Have fun with your As. (And btw, as for sticking it to the system, you are paying them for an education - of which you aren't even getting. So, who's screwing the system really?)

(If other devs are here, I just created a new post here: https://lemmy.world/post/21307394. I'd love to hear your horror stories too, as in sure our student here would love to read them)

[–] [email protected] -1 points 5 months ago

if this is how you interview, your company sux.

Your fellow tech bro with a big fat tech job.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

My college workflow was to copy the prompt and then "paste without formatting" in Word and leave that copy of the prompt at the top while I worked, I would absolutely have fallen for this. :P

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Wow hope you lose the degree at some point.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Wot? They didn't say they cheated, they said they kept a copy of the prompt at the top of their document while working.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

Any use of an LLM in understanding any subject or create any medium, be it papers or artwork, results in intellectual failure, as far as I'm concerned. Imagine if this were a doctor or engineer relying on hallucinated information, people could die.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

they didn't say they used any kind of LLM though? they literally just kept a copy of the assignment (in plain text) to reference. did you use an LLM to try to understand their comment? lol

[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Its possible by "prompt" they were referring to assignment instructions, but that's pretty pointless to copy and paste in the first place and very poor choice of words if so especially in a discussion about ChatGPT.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

What, do you people own the word prompt now?

See, this piss-poor reading comprehension is why you shouldn't let an LLM do your homework for you.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 months ago

Bro just outed himself

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

it's not merely possible, it's obvious!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

You're a fucking moron and probably a child. They're telling a story from long before there were public LLMs.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

there is no LLM involved in ryven's comment:

  • open assignment
  • select text
  • copy text
  • create text-i-will-turn-in.doc
  • paste text without formatting
  • work in this document, scrolling up to look at the assignment again
  • fall for the "trap" and search like an idiot for anything relevant to assignment + frankie hawkes, since no formatting

i hope noone is dependent on your reading comprehension mate, or i'll have some bad news

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

lmao fuck off, why put so much effort into defending the bullshit machines?

EDIT: I honestly didnt even read your comment, too much time wasted arguing with bota and techbros, but if you mean to try to explain the user meant copying the assignment instructions then said user should never have used the word "prompt" in this context to begin with.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Holy shit, "prompt" is not primarily an AI word. I get not reading an entire article or essay before commenting, but maybe you should read an entire couple of sentences before making a complete ass of yourself for multiple comments in a row. If you can't manage that, just say nothing! It's that easy!

[–] [email protected] -1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I stand by everything that I have said. LLM AI is garbage, anybody who uses it for work or school is a garbage human being who needs removal from position, and if that commenter meant to say instructions but instead wrote prompt then they made a mistake.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

The word "prompt" is used correctly here:

My college workflow was to copy the prompt and then "paste without formatting" in Word and leave that copy of the prompt at the top while I worked, I would absolutely have fallen for this. :P

That's the comment you originally responded to. It's two sentences (with a comma splice) and very clearly has nothing to do with AI.

Misreading this and misunderstanding it, as simple as it is, is embarrassing but understandable. Commenting "I hope you lose your degree" because you can't read 28 words of text without drawing completely the wrong conclusion is, again, embarrassing, but not dire.

Arguing in multiple comment threads about it, while your misunderstanding is repeatedly and clearly explained to you, and then saying you "stand by" all of this, makes it clear that you are a complete idiot.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I feel nothing but pity for how stupid you are acting right now. Read it all again and see if you can work it out.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 months ago (2 children)

How dare I hurt your feelings by standing up for academic honesty and responsibility. How dare I oppose automating paperwork meant to prove competence of students who will decide the fates of other people in their profession.

Just despicable, absolutely attrocious behavior.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

Hah you're so confused.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Just despicable, absolutely attrocious behavior.

Yah, like when you defended literal, actual Nazis a few months back

User notes are fun

[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Lmao, Nazis were moronic pigs serving a bigger pig out of self serving bias and xenophobia. I have never defended them.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

User notes say otherwise, as does my memory of the event, can't trick me :)

[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

You arguing against my admonishment of nazis is sortof you arguing in favor of nazis.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Me simply saying I've personally seen you do something in response to you claiming you haven't is in now way an argument or an admonishment of shit

Its a statement of fact against your false claim, and your pathetic attempt to spin it against me somehow is reeeeally sad

[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 months ago

You could very easily prove your case if you had a leg to stand on, nazi scum.