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[–] Denfa@lemmy.world 4 points 5 hours ago

I’m assuming this person is from the US in which case this is exactly why conservative Republicans love to defund education. It’s easy to believe everything you hear on Fox, OAN, influencers…etc when you are undereducated and unable to recognize lying or general stupidity.

Dems don’t get a pass on this— they allowed it to happen instead of fighting for good education policies.

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 6 hours ago

So, he was a nazi?

[–] KulunkelBoom@lemmus.org 6 points 7 hours ago

I didn't realize bots had granddaddies...

[–] NotAnOtter@lemmus.org 8 points 11 hours ago

Trump literally Did A Communism when he bought a chunk of Intel.

I'm not as excited about communism, I just want aggressive broad socialism.

[–] LeonineAlpha@sh.itjust.works 12 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

While the communism +/- debate is all very interesting, I feel like a brief history lesson is needed (to get the "joke").

The nations that "fought in WW2 against communism", were at war with USSR, as in they wers "the Axis Powers."

Primarily: NAZI GERMANY.

So "rainbow stop the orange fascist", is, in fact, PROUD of their ancestor's support of the (OG) fascists...

Funny stuff, irony.

[–] Hyperion@midwest.social 12 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

As some other people have pointed out, Poland was briefly at war with the USSR during WW2 because the USSR made a deal with the Nazis to divide the country. Finland was allied with the Nazis for a time out of desperation; it's debated if they were considered an axis power. And groups from the Baltic countries, seized by the USSR in the chaos of the early war, fought guerilla campaigns against the Red Army well into the 50s (see the Forest Brothers) as well as insurgent groups from a few other eastern European countries like Poland.

The most likely scenario though is that the Poster is an American, is fundamentally ignorant of WW2 history (or any history) and has no clue what they're talking about.

[–] ISurvivedThePandemic@lemmus.org 4 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Also Iran fought against the Soviets and the British and Australians when it was invaded.

[–] Hyperion@midwest.social 1 points 1 hour ago

True that, I'd forgotten. Embarrassing considering how often I bring it up to my clueless fellow Americans. The regime in Tehran are shitheads but Iran is genuinely the aggrieved party in any conflict with the US.

[–] SethTaylor@lemmy.world 40 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (9 children)

Communism was so good in Romania that half my family died

I'm a social democrat

Some of this comment section is appalling to me. Some of you have no idea what you're wishing upon yourselves and how unhinged communism can get. The only way to stay safe is to separate power as much as possible. You can't have your government owning everything and you can't have the private sector owning everything. Either one can turn shitheel. Them not turning shitheel is a fantasy.

Nothing is black or white. Reality is nuanced. Life isn't fascism vs communism or capitalism vs communism. Politics isn't sports. The fact of the matter is politics "never ends". Adjustments have to be made constantly. There is no single permanent solution. Sure, everyone would like to have that peace of mind, but it's just not the way things work.

I will not respond to any comments on this, since there's always at least one "something something your family deserved to die

Go ahead and downvote. You'll never win an election anyway. I don't even care.

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

I recently learned a thing about the Great Leap Forward, the massive famine in China due to a mismanaged command economy.

Mao pushed for everyone, down to the last peasant farmer, to produce steel, which some accomplished by melting down their cookware. They did ask for grain, but only to be sent to the state. Mao expected the people would know to still engage in sustenance work to stay alive, but no, they patriotically sent their materials to the state, expecting that they'd get sustenance back. That didn't happen, and there was mass famine.

In feudal times, this was called squeezing the peasants which liege lords sometimes did to quickly develop a war chest. These taxes were collected in kind (of raw materials, not coin or gold). The serfs' regular work would not get done. There'd be food shortages, and significantly fewer serfs after the winter, but the lord would get his war. (Typically it wasn't even his war, but that of his lord, or further up the chain. Lower-ranking nobles like barons and counts were obligated to provide fighting forces for dukes and kings. Something, something high lords playing their games of thrones... )

Back to Mao's China, there were dissenters, but there was also a strong anti-intellectualism movement, the same thing we're seeing in the states today. Administrators don't believe in expertise and figure they can work economies, manage health and conduct wars based on vibes (and nowadays, memes). On the international stage, this results in getting totally played (and left behind) by the rest of the global community, the ones who do believe in experts.

There's a reason that the US, for once, took educatiod very seriously (STEM, critical thinking, liberal arts, etc.) right after Sputnik. We saw we were falling behind and decided we needed to get into gear. The US would then freak out about the common folk questioning authority and trying to think for themselves, which they're supposed to do in a democracy. But then, thinking citizens cannot be controlled.

I don't think you necessarily hate communism. I think you hate incompetence. And as we're seeing in the (very, very, capitalist-identifying) United States, incompetence is a plague that crosses all ideologies.

(And that's a thing too. Ideologies might present a model for how things might work, but they shouldn't be the goal, and when an ideology doesn't achieve its mission, it should be reconsidered, revised and maybe abandoned. Supply side economics, for example, is an ideology. Collective prosperity is its goal. Allegedly.)

[–] Zyratoxx@fedia.io 3 points 10 hours ago

Ceausescu was a very low bar, probably only undercut by Stalin, Hoxha and Pol Pot.

My family lived under the GDR (which also had a lot of flaws) but looking back now they'd have liked the economy to stay more on the communist side but with more freedoms, like freedom of expression and movement. They say that during Communism people were nicer to and more looking after each other than they are now under the more competitive Capitalism. Also the GDR was leading in terms of equal payment and women advancing on the career ladder. It also had a good network of public kindergardens and schools all reasons why a lot of East Germans in hindsight have mixed feelings about the unification and transition towards Capitalism (especially the neoliberalist Capitalism that meant the privatisation of i.e. the railways and hospitals).

Of course that came with the backside of it there being an inbalance (and de facto a two class system) between high ranking party members and the public, movement restrictions, harsh border controls (not just to the West but in general, I have been told if you looked funny at the border guard they would disassemble your car "to look for illegal stuff" and you had to reassemble it"), and ofc it being a spy state. But that was never intended by Marx so I wouldn't blame that on communism but on their flavor of it.

Coming back to your comment tho I agree with the "nothing is black and white" section ultimately politics and economics always has to adjust to the current situation and if it fails to do so it'll turn into a crisis.

Also I think that everyone is entitled to their opinion as long as this opinion doesn't limit other people's personal freedom. So I am sorry for what happened to your family as long as they didn't intend to hurt others (which I assume they did not).

Personally I would love that land would be owned by the districs / communes (not on the state level but also not on the private level). What individuals should be able to do is lease land and structures on it from the local commune (with even lifetime leases possible and securities for the the person who leases the land.) On top of that basic services such as water, electricity, food, education, infrastructure, etc should also be owned by the public. The rest is debatable but in general I l'd say centralize where common grounds are needed (for i.e. standardisation) decentralise where possible and politics should be as open and transparent as possible in order to be accountable.

[–] horsesaysweird@feddit.org 16 points 16 hours ago

You can't have your government owning everything and you can't have the private sector owning everything.

There is a third way: cooperatives. Houses are owned by the people who live in them. Factories are owned by the people who work in them. Municipal infrastructure (water, electricity, internet, etc) is owned by the citizens who use them.

This removes the current need to maximize profit and ignore all other metrics. Nobody is going to vote for maximizing profits if that means the service they are using every day is getting worse.

There is no centralized government who controls everything. You still have market forces. But the people in control are not regulators or investors on the other side of the world, they are very close to the product and therefore have much better insight and more vested interests in the product succeeding aside from profit maximization.

[–] homosapien@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Was it a state? If yes, it was not communist

I am sorry for your family. Marxism-leninism has polluted communism

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[–] DupaCycki@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago

I agree with the middle section of your comment, and I think it's very reasonable. It's nearly impossible, and in fact, seems to not be the case, that any system currently available would be the answer to all problems of the present and future.

However, the opening feels manipulative.

First of all, maybe I missed something, but when was there communism in Romania? Communism, as in the definition - no classes, no currency, etc., not just a ruling party called 'communist'. Last I checked that never took place in Romania.

Second, capitalism has killed and continues to kill anywhere between 100x more and 10000x more people than 'communism'. But for some reason this is only ever used as a point against communism, and never against capitalism.

A lot more people around the world can easily say the same about capitalism. Their entire families are dead because of it. But you don't seem to care, or notice. Which, and why is that, exactly? Because you don't know them? Because they're far away? I'd love to know.

And, I'm sorry to say, but the ending is just plain pathetic and selfish. If you don't want to engage with people on a forum, then stop posting. Maybe start a blog and disable comments.

The exact same points you're making could be easily made by the capitalist class. And if you cried about it, they might very well respond with:

Go ahead and downvote. You'll never win an election anyway. I don't even care.

What'd be your answer to that, I wonder. Although that may very much be hypothetical, because I get the feeling you come from a specific background that can afford a moderate stance on the socialism vs capitalism issue. Feel free to correct if wrong.

[–] birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Marxism-Leninism*

Might wanna spruce up on anarchist and council communism, those are anti-authoritarian.

I used to be a social democrat as well, gradually drifted towards those though. If you've any questions, feel free to ask!

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[–] Axolotl_cpp@lemmy.dbzer0.com 48 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

The problem is that people think of the URSS as a comunist country when it clearly wasn't, they literally made an aristocratic class but whatever

[–] Hyperion@midwest.social 26 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

don't let .ml hear you say that or the screeching sound they make will be ear splitting

[–] birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Tbf i'll gladly let the .ml ppl criticise the capitalists and liberals, that's something we can agree on

[–] Hyperion@midwest.social 2 points 1 hour ago

Yes, but their grip on reality is slippery, their dedication to campism is frustrating, and their love of strict hierarchy isn't compatible with Leftist beliefs.

[–] Axolotl_cpp@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

Already happened when i was on my old instance xD

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

The US just turned neo-nazi for a full two years. We're totally putting on the reich right now. We even have fucking concentration camps.

And we started a stupid war putting the entire global economy into an energy crisis. And we're in an affordability crisis with skyrocketing inflation. Americans can't afford food and fuel and are skipping medications.

And the US is betraying its NATO allies and sucking off Putin. America is a Russian asset right now.

So let's back up a bit. We've been making late-stage capitalism noises since the beginning of the century, after the dot-com bubble. Then came the subprime mortgage crisis. We passed some laws to prevent financialization shenanigans, then we repealed those laws. With quality of life in the shitter, young whites put Trump into office. Then COVID-19, and then since things still weren't better, racism was back on the menu, again.

But now, billionaires -- who got rich through financialization (that is fancy fraud-flavored rent-seeking) -- are trying to dismantle democracy and create an authoritarian state while fast-tracking the automation of the entire workforce. And they're not yet finished plundering the US treasury and its credit line, yet they're already starting after the rest of the developed world, long softened by (you guessed it) neoliberal capitalism.

Capitalism has fucking failed. We can try to reconstruct a market economy, but so long as we allow for a plutocratic class, it's going to fail, and eventually the aristocrats will succeed to contain the rest of the workforce, and work us to death like slaves at a sugar plantation.

So maybe we don't want to do what the Soviet Union did, exactly, but we don't really want to do what the US and colonial Europe did either.

(And to be fair, every time someone tried to create a democratic Leninist state, colonial forces, usually the US, were right there to topple their government and erect a puppet dictatorship that allowed business interests to plunder natural resources. Heck, Wilson called the international community, a lot of it still colonial monarchies, to sanction USSR as soon as the Red Army won. Capitalism is a plague of parasites.)

Maybe pull together some Keynesian economists and build a social strategy? I don't know. I'm not an expert, but I listen to Paul Krugman, Richard J Murphy and Robert Reich. They have ideas.

But to quote the hairdresser recently on Last Week Tonight (on YouTube, ~23:43), At this point what do we have to worry about? Anything but what we have. We're on our way to Hell.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 3 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Keynesian economics helped bring capitalism to the late stage. The central premise is to cause inflation so that workers are encouraged to invest in businesses, growing the overall economy. Which it did! The economy has grown drastically... but we don't own it.

Keynes suggested that we spend the inflation money on public works, not guaranteed returns for people with so much money that they can lock it away in bonds. It's an idea that requires a functioning democracy while constantly funneling money away from workers. We're creating all these bubbles because people want to save for the future but everything is a scam. Keynes didn't realize that what he was asking for was free information that we don't have.

Keugman and other modern Keynesians generally mean well. But they're incredibly dangerously wrong, and we never should have listened to them.

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Sadly the alternative we've been given is supply-side propaganda, which is trickle-down with fairy dust.

As I said, I'm not a not a Nobel laureate economist, but I bet Krugman sees the Keynes model as exactly that, a model, to be adjusted with observable facts. And we now have a lot of history, so I can assume we have a better model.

This might be one of those moments where perfect is enemy of the good. If we fail to make changes quickly, we may not have an economy left to save, and US and EU will have great famines in the history books.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 hours ago

Which changes quickly? If we don't stop the concentration of wealth by addressing its root causes, then all of this will happen again.

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