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[–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 55 points 1 week ago (8 children)

Almost anyone can cut and paste a face on a different body using a classic photo editor.

It still takes a profesional to do it in a way that delivers a quality result.

Linus Torvalds is a professional, the linux terminal is his baby, if we can trust anyone on this, its him.

The amateurs using ai to produce slop that resembles what we perceive as quality, is sometimes hard to tell but 25 years ago people though half life 1 looked insanely realistic and that graphics could not possibly look any more real. Over time our brains will adapt and we will be able to tell slop from real work in a heartbeat. I bet most people here can already tell if a mail was written by an llm and not audited by a human with ease.

[–] threeonefour@piefed.ca 89 points 1 week ago (7 children)

I'm worried about cognitive surrender. There's evidence of people losing skills they once had because they stopped doing it themselves and just get AI to do it for them.

[–] padreug@programming.dev -3 points 6 days ago

You don't need evidence, go try it yourself. It's like using a calculator instead of crunching out a math problem yourself.

There are places where it's useful and if you're smart you'll also keep your brain balanced and sharp.

Not everyone will survive this shift in reality - NPC's are all around.

If you want my honest answer, it requires a community of diverse people you trust so that the people who are capable of exploring this territory can figure out how to use it and it's our duty to keep them from going into the void.

[–] bad1080@piefed.social 28 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They should run the test with calculators, because they'll see the same effect. Turns out that giving people a tool to make things trivial, and then taking that tool away, halfway through the goddamn exam, is a lot more frustrating than just asking them to do some algebra on paper.

'Bicycling for just ten miles makes walking back seem like a pain in the ass.'

[–] bad1080@piefed.social 11 points 1 week ago (2 children)

going to just copy and paste my reply to your other comment: AI is not a tool it is a replacement, there’s no skill in using AI

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[–] Eldritch@piefed.world 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If he's still auditing and understanding the code. Something that he's done as a project manager for decades at this point. I don't see how it will. If the code is generated by a person or a machine. The auditing isn't much different.

[–] MangoCats@feddit.it 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Ironically, I find the LLMs to be better at auditing code than generating it in the first place. Like the humans they trained under, LLMs make mistakes and miss important things in both endeavors, but: when an LLM finds a real problem, that's a win no matter how you look at it.

[–] Eldritch@piefed.world 9 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Definitely. I just hope that sooner rather than later it's possible for them all to move over to local open source models. Supporting wasteful content thieves is not sustainable.

That and that all the GPU manufacturers Etc have their sound blaster moment. These days a lot of socs have quite powerful Graphics accelerators on them. At some point, someone's going to release a bit of silicon equivalent to the AC 97. May not have been able to compete with sound blaster on the ridiculously high end of the market. But was good enough for 99% of tasks. So that most people don't even remember sound blaster anymore. Even though they still technically exist.

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[–] nixfreak@thebrainbin.org 11 points 1 week ago (3 children)

yeah I agree with this statement. it’s not that LLM are necessarily bad it’s making people reliant and lazy which leads to complacency.

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[–] nialv7@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago (2 children)

but isn't using AI inherently unethical?

[–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 21 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

My subjective opinion is that yeah it is unethical, but not more then so many other things we normalised.

Systematicly slaughtering animals for meat for example.

I am not a vegitarian by any means. You cannot fight on all fronts at once and have to pick your own battles in context of your own lifes challenges.

Cars poison the air and kill many people, i dont drive a car for that reason because thats a fight i can fight. I have sensativities with food, so i am not cutting out meat. (I aim to do so some day)

I moved to linux some years ago by getting help from an llm which requires datacenters build by malicious companies. I don't have a google or meta account and my cloud and media is hosted locally on recycled hardware. Where for others those services require datacenters build by malicious companies.

Life is various shades of grey.

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[–] entwine@programming.dev 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yes, and the people doing mental gymnastics to defend it are unprincipled losers and/or cucks to the billionaires.

The models used to generate code were built by stealing from us. Fuck whatever stupid opinions you might have on copyright; you were exploited. Elon Musk, Mark Zuckerberg, Jeff Bezos, Sam Altman, etc are making money, corrupting our democracy, and destroying our way of life because they stole our work. They wouldn't be able to do that without the massive theft of labor they've committed, or if our government actually enforced the laws that they broke, and are currently still breaking.

Why should these scumbags (or anyone) be able to steal and profit from our labor? Are we going to accept our assigned roles as mere cattle for the megacriminals? Will you be happy when your daughter is conscripted as a "breeder" for Elon Musk? Or when your son dies fighting in a war for resources so we can build more data centers?

Or how about when the subsidized tokens run out, you can't afford to use the models you've become unable to function without, and are forced to go work in an Amazon warehouse or copper mine or some shit because you eagerly and enthusiastically contributed to the monopolization of your own labor, and were too stupid to realize it before it was too late?

[–] butWhatIfiCan@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 days ago

I don't like using the word "theft" because it implies this is primarily a property rights issue, and IMO it's much more of a labor rights and moral rights issue. This ain't gonna be solved by just enforcing existing copyright laws when employers, publishers, social media companies, etc. can effectively force creators to waive their rights as copyright holders. (Sign away your rights to AI training or you won't get a record deal! Sign away your rights to AI training or you won't get any work at all!) I tend to think we should focus on bringing back sectoral bargaining (like what the Hollywood writers and actors did) and/or creating new laws that recognize inalienable moral rights for creators.

But otherwise, yes. I very much agree.

[–] Havatra@lemmy.zip 21 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I can vouch for that: As a programmer, I can generally see both programming AI and general LLM use if it was copy-pasted. I know a guy who isn't a programmer who've used Claude Code to make an app, and things are working, but it's sooo clear even to a junior SE that it's vibe-coded. There's a clear lack of consistency, architecture, maintainability, and general human readability.
However, if the code/text was reviewed and edited by a capable human programmer, it's incredibly difficult to single out what is a product of AI and not.

Actual programmers who understand and can write code themselves who use AI simply as a tool, NOT a shortcut, will produce indistinguishable code. Linus is an incredibly smart and capable guy, and for specific uses, I'm confident in him using this tool responsibly.

(The ethics of AI use is a different topic however...)

[–] YeahToast@aussie.zone 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

How do you see the longevity of it. You obviously learnt how to code before ai. What about those learning now that are learning only having access to ai. Id anticipate the quality over time will deteriorate

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[–] resipsaloquitur@lemmy.cafe 17 points 1 week ago

Linus explained in that Git tag message that he "did what I preach" and used modern LLM tools to make sense of patches that were hard for him to follow.

It’s already too late. He’s gone down the rabbit hole.

[–] Tempy@programming.dev 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

We didn't think Half Life 1 looked realistic against reality, just that it was the most realistic graphics we had seen yet.

It's not like we looked at the game and went that's indistinguishable from reality.

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[–] LostWanderer@fedia.io 42 points 1 week ago (15 children)

Meh, its less exciting whenever Claude Code is involved; I am wondering how many undetected bugs will sneak into the kernel. If he was going to use an LLM, he could at least use something local and not connected to one of the many nasty big corps that are ruining shit.

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

You wouldn't want him using a local model unless he was running some fancy rig that could run a high end frontier model. He might not have such a thing laying around. Using the best out there for something like this is how you help avoid bugs.

[–] The_Decryptor@aussie.zone 17 points 1 week ago (4 children)

He gets paid more than enough to afford high end hardware.

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[–] LostWanderer@fedia.io 9 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Honestly, his mind and the community is probably one of the best things out there at the moment. They live the Linux Kernel, while that thing he used does not think or understand anything. Eh, it would be better if they moved with care instead, as that is a good way to avoid bugs too. I don't have a lot of faith in gassed up LLMs.

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[–] Solumbran@lemmy.world 30 points 1 week ago (3 children)
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[–] Zexks@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Watching Torvalds actions tearing this place apart is hilarious

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[–] mrbigmouth502@piefed.zip 18 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I'd love to see a pre-AI fork of the Linux kernel.

[–] endofline@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 week ago

You can do it always

[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I think some of the BSDs have no AI clauses.

[–] heliotrope@slrpnk.net 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (4 children)

I ran it all through Slopscore and consulted open-slopware, and here are the results:

  • ⬛ Linux has at least 2,274 slop commits, to date.
  • 🟧 FreeBSD has at least 53 slop commits, including some from Anthropic themselves.
  • 🟨 OpenBSD has a couple of slop commits, but nothing colossal.
  • 🟩 NetBSD had one Claude commit, but apparently the code has been removed. It also requires any AI-generated code to be signed off by the core maintainers before it can be merged.
  • 🟨 DragonFly BSD has at least three slop commits.
  • 🟥 MidnightBSD has at least 292 slop commits.
  • ⬛ NextBSD is entirely vibecoded.
  • 🟩 MirBSD has an anti-AI policy, but only supports i386 and SPARC, and is currently unusable anyway.
  • 🟩 HyperbolaBSD has an anti-AI policy, but hasn't been released yet (they're still a Linux-libre distro).
  • 🟩 CoffeeBSD is a slop-free fork of FreeBSD, but has had no commits since it was forked.
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[–] somegeek@programming.dev 11 points 1 week ago (8 children)

I honestly trust him. He knows what he's doing. He isn't a kid who just got their hands on a new tool

[–] Toga77@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

We as society in general keep seeing over and never to trust those in charge to any degree without proper verification.

No one is immune to LLMs bullshit. The studies are not good, none of them that are reputable anyway.

Even if Linus is himself capable, his use and endorsement of AI is going to have the massive knock on effect of people learning less and less to code properly.

Progress for progress sake is not what Linux is even about.

So we're "move fast and break things" now by the looks of it and I don't like it.

[–] somegeek@programming.dev 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

A problem is that the whole train of tech is moving very fast, for good or for bad. For one thing, when bugs are being exploited by AI in mass, tge only way to fight is by using AI to fix them in mass. No other way round it. So the workload has increased immensly. And other OS are probably on their path with new capabilities and tech.

if linux doesn't stay relevant, it will become obsolete. We love linux and we want it to be the more dominant OS, while staying FOSS and ethical, right?

Linus has to keep the pace and I don't think we have a single person more competent and knowledgeable about OS than Linus. We should support him and help. Infighting and nagging will only wear down the already small and fragile FOSS community and adopters. I think it's the best thing for corporates to kick down FOSS

[–] Toga77@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Sure. I don't know what the answer is, but I really don't think everyone lining up like lemmings to walk off the same cliff is the answer.

It's sad to see Linus freely advertise for fascist corporations.

It's sad to see Linus inspire thousands of aspiring coders to now learn the wrong lessons, because that's absolutely what will happen. Anyone trying to learn to code right now is proper fucked.

Linus' knowledge and other maintainers knowledge will likely die with him now because shortcuts are inevitable and people will understand less and less the more they offload.

We keep seeing this repeated, literally hundreds of times in just the past year alone. Code bases are shit, people who maintained them either fucked, or worse started vibe coding, and the LLM yes man machine isn't gonna not blow smoke up Torvalds ass just because he is Linus.

I understand your points, and I agree with most of it.

It's just, this feels like someone has a heroin addiction, and our solution is to get them hooked on alcohol.

[–] somegeek@programming.dev 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I also agree with your points on ethics and the knowledge shrinking. But I can't think of a sane route. Not using AI in the current state will leave the kernel behind (at least in security matters which is obvious), and using it will degrade the quality of the software itself, and its community.

[–] Toga77@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

Well, shit. I appreciate the conversation at least!

[–] tfm@europe.pub 9 points 1 week ago

I hope you're right. LLMs are doing weird things with our brains.

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