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Age verification proposals are often presented as a simple tradeoff: sacrifice a little privacy to better safeguard children online. But that framing overlooks a more fundamental question. What happens to people who cannot verify their age at all? This is particularly a problem when users are required to prove their age with identity documents.

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[–] rizzothesmall@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 days ago

Is it no internet, or no Meta?

[–] chahn.chris@piefed.social 125 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I really wish people would stop weaponizing children to encroach on everyone’s privacy.

[–] spacegoat@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago (9 children)

Fuck them kids

(Not literally)

[–] myyass@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago

POTUS intensifies!

[–] EmilieEasie@fedinsfw.app 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This brand of edgy humor is so weird. The children aren't legislating your rights away, they're having their rights encroached on right along with you, by the Epstein class no less, a band of ghouls that have proven to be waaay more dangerous to children than adults

[–] spacegoat@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)
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[–] waltersf@bookwyr.me 6 points 1 week ago

then politics would cease to exist🤣

[–] Miller@lemmy.world 56 points 1 week ago (2 children)

What our glorious ill informed leaders do not seem to have realised as yet is that it will apply to them too. So everything they look at online will be linked to their actual identity and is thereby more easily discerned, to be spewed all over the internet when the time is right. Or maybe that is the point, delivery of prosecution or blackmail in neater and more convenient packages.

[–] YurkshireLad@lemmy.ca 65 points 1 week ago (21 children)

I’m sure the rich have a way of avoiding this somehow.

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

t will apply to them too.

No it won't. That's not how The Network State functions.

You have a very clearly designated In-Group and Out-Group. Just stay in the In-Group and you'll be fine.

You're not going to beat segregation by telling a bunch of coked up white boys "One day you won't be allowed to drink from a water fountain". Everyone knows that's not true. That's not how these barriers function.

[–] zangwill@lemmy.zip 45 points 1 week ago (3 children)

The people who can verify their identity will be less willing to share their opinion on certain topics once they know they aren't anonymous. I'm certain this is one of the goals. The reactions to political news, world events, law proposals and atrocities will be far more muted and it will be easier to control the population.

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 26 points 1 week ago

Moreover, people will be less willing to upload video of George Floyd dying, or of brutality and massacre in Gaza, or to stream from the streets during the 2014 Ferguson unrest.

Visceral video from the ground accelerates popular movements. They want us dependent on news agencies for our only window into the rest of the world.

[–] mr_satan@lemmy.zip 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Have you heard of Facebook? People use their real names and don't give a single fuck.

[–] meandering@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

A close friend of mine was visited by police over a political joke they made on social media. People don't seem to give a fuck, but those same people might stop posting after some offline intimidation.

[–] MrGeneric@lemmy.today 4 points 1 week ago

The amount of internet “needed” these days is staggering, to have that attached to a comment you made 20 years ago drunk online is terrifying.

Bank accounts, trading platforms, medical insurance, rent payments, car insurance, locks, restaurants, job applications, grocery shopping, gas stations everything is online and requires registration now.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 37 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

IMO, because this all centers on access to social media platforms, it's also a restriction on freedom of speech. Kids can't talk to other people just because of the form of communication? Fucking bullshit and does absolutely fuck all to fix the true underlying problems. The lack of ID also just puts the restriction on many unhoused adults and is very likely to be an intentional side effect.

[–] tengkuizdihar@programming.dev 37 points 1 week ago

The argument against them is that, I dont want my kids to live in a world where surveillance is everywhere, the internet ain't libre, and safeguard is a replacement for morality and etiquette.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 35 points 1 week ago

Age verification laws reshape who can speak, who can access information, and who gets excluded from the digital public sphere. In other words, age verification is not a neutral safety measure: it presents a structural barrier to disproportionately exclude certain groups—particularly those in the global majority—and alters the architecture of global online expression. Some of these groups are already marginalized offline, and age verification extends that exclusion into digital spaces.

For instance, 850 million people globally do not have ID. Most of these individuals exist in primarily low and middle income countries in Sub-Saharan Africa and South Asia. The World Bank points out that many are members of marginalized groups and more than half of those lacking access to identity documentation also have children whose births have not been registered. Women are particularly vulnerable and are 8% less likely than men to have an ID. Other vulnerable groups, such as adults in low income countries, are less likely to have an ID when they fall below 25 years, as are those with a primary school education or less or those in rural areas.

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

or if Im just not going to play along. im pretty willing to give it all up.

[–] innermachine@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Might end up with a fediverse on TOR at this rate...

[–] thegerald@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)

What do you think of freenet.org ?

[–] innermachine@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I had never heard of it before but visited their site and looks like a very cool concept! I'll have to download it and give it a try, although it seems their still in pretty early stages.

[–] thegerald@lemmy.zip 3 points 6 days ago

Yes they are its true. The main developer created the original freenet I think. Ian Clarke. Its very interesting, although I do get confused. Tor Lokinet, Freenet, Usenet, I2P etc. I need to figure out what's going on.

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[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 14 points 1 week ago

We already have a means to protect children online. It's called having the adults who are responsible for them pay attention to what they're doing on the Internet and restricting their access via parental controls. No reason to drag the rest of us into that.

[–] _stranger_@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Am I the only one that saw Perry the Platypus?

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[–] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 week ago (5 children)

I'm payin $25/mo to join an online community by a YouTuber I follow and everyone is using their real names and real photos (or simulacra thereof). It's pretty crazy.

But I think what will happen is communities will be based on trust, and that trust will eventually be enforced by siloed environments.

Like, right now, I'm guessing that the site's software is probably hoovering up information and it's all centralized somewhere... but maybe in the future, if small communities become the norm, providing real privacy will be a thing.

[–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I think small communities should be the norm.

Social media that makes it so that you're always anonymous and always speaking to strangers creates a lot of problems (Internet Fuckwad Theory)

Recognizing other users and knowing that your behaviour will result in a negative reputation goes a long way towards creating higher quality discussions. Moderation isn't as needed and it's harder for outside actors to manufacture a consensus by spamming bot accounts.

I think that'd go a long way towards resolving a lot of problems created by social media.

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[–] myyass@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

Papers please, ja? Nein? Ins Lager!

[–] Dryad@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I’m really starting to think that Reticulum is the eventual way of the future for network communications.

[–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 week ago

You're right, but for now, until the reticulum networks get built up, Tor and I2P are going to be the only ways possible. The CuckNet will be a useless place to be, and the only place you'll actually be able to get real information is on the dark web.

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[–] HerbGrower@slrpnk.net 6 points 1 week ago

But how will AI agents access the internet without having ID?

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