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    Debian used to be so good. What happened!? (lemmy.world)
    submitted 10 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
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    Firefox on Debian stable is so old that websites yell at you to upgrade to a newer browser. And last time I tried installing Debian testing (or was it debian unstable?), the installer shat itself trying to make the bootloader. After I got it to boot, apt refused to work because of a missing symlink to busybox. Why on earth do they even need busybox if the base install already comes with full gnu coreutils? I remember Debian as the distro that Just Wroks(TM), when did it all go so wrong? Is anyone else here having similar issues, or am I doing something wrong?

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    [–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    My bank used to complain that my browser was out of date. I wrote an email to customer service explaining to them that:

    A) debian's "out of date" browser actually includes all up to date security patches. B) simply reading the browser agent isnt really security. I had simply been spoofing my browser agent to get around their silly browser "security" policy

    They removed the browser check 2 weeks later. Not sure if it was because of me

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

    The hero we need rn tbh

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

    simply reading the browser agent isnt really security

    It's not for their security, but for that of genuinely clueless people that are just running an actually outdated browser that might have known and exploitable security flaws.

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

    Debian Stable Β± Flatpak gets best of both worlds

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

    Ehm... im using debian stable, no website is telling me to update Firefox (I'm on deb 10, 11 and 12 in different PCs).

    Deb 12, my home computer, is on unstable and running smoothly.

    Debian isn't "just works" but "it's a freaking rock" + "open source hardcore philosophy".

    Maybe I got lucky?

    [–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

    You are literally describing the idea of Debian. Yes, stable is old, but that is the whole purpose. You get (mostly) security updates only for a few years. No big updates, no surprises. Great for stuff like company PCs, servers, and other systems you want to just workβ„’ with minimal admin work.

    And testing is, well, for testing. Ironing out bugs and preparing the next stable. Although what you describes sounds more like unstable, the one where they explicitly say that they will break stuff to try out other stuff.

    So, everything works as intended and advertised here. If you want a different approach to stability, I guess you will have to use a different distro, sorry.

    I guess when you last tried it, it was at a time when a new stable came out, so testing was more or less equal to stable.

    About the firefox: It ships Firefox ESR these days, meaning you get an older, less often updated tested firefox (with security updates, of course). Again, this is the whole point. Less updates, less admin work, more time to find and fix bugs. Remember the whole Quantum add-on mess, for example?

    As others have said, you can install other versions of firefox (like the "normal" one) via flatpak, snap... nowadays. The same goes for other software, where you would need the newest and shiniest version sooner. I'm using debian on my work/uni laptop and a bunch of servers, and it works pretty well for me.

    [–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

    This is why Debian is my server of choice, and my work desktop of choice.

    OP, There are some flavors of Debian out there that are more rapid release, like LMDE, Siduction, Sparky, even Kali (though I wouldn't recommend Kali as a primary desktop personally). Some based on Sid, some based on Testing.

    [–] [email protected] -1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

    Debian stable and flatpaks, I don't see all the fuss