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[–] GiveOver@feddit.uk 29 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Prayers for those who died of blood loss 2 hours before God pushed the "allow transfusions" hotfix ☹️ πŸ™

[–] Lyrl@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 day ago

Hospitals in areas with large JW populations have opaque IV bags available, and at patient's request will lie to visitors about what is in it. Members have been "following their conscience" for decades, and I suspect this change is more about not ostrasizing those members than actually changing behavior.

oh so this is why they went out of their way to get my explicit consent for blood transfusions in the hospital

thought that was fucking weird

[–] Furbag@pawb.social 54 points 2 days ago (1 children)

So... which higher up at the JW organization needed a life saving transfusion? No way they changed their minds on this unprompted.

[–] Berlinblades@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

The hierarchical structure of this organisation is absolutely vile.

Also,the ones out witnessing at the train Station or going door to door are usually at the bottom of the hierarchy,so I for one am always politenl to them,even if i dont engage. It's not nice to mess with them or slam the door or whatever.

[–] Jaysyn@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago

This is how you know it's all made up bullshit.

[–] DeadEndLink@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago

J/W's are a 19th century pyramid scheme.

[–] blitzen@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 days ago

So about 25 years ago, my mother remarried. Her new husband was a Jehovah Witness, or at least he had been before his previous divorce made him no longer welcome. Well, with their marriage he's suddenly welcome again, and so both he and my mother were JW.

Fast forward five years, and my mother has a condition in which she had to undergo surgery. During surgery, her red blood cell count dropped dangerously and thus required a blood transfusion. No medical issues with the transfusion, it all went well.

A few weeks later she has to return for further surgery. My siblings and I are visiting with her in the pre-op room, and we're suddenly joined with elders from her church. They'd heard about the earlier transfusion, and were there with pre-filled out paperwork for her to sign to decline any further should the medical need arise this time. I interrupted, and as the oldest of her children, I told her that under no circumstances would she be signing that. Ultimately, she did not sign and they left the church because of it.

If someone has a deeply held belief, who am I to tell them they're wrong. But my mother had no belief in the "sin" of blood transfusions. She'd only been part of the church for a handful of years. And even those "deeply held beliefs" of the church, they were subject to change themselves. Organ donation was once viewed within the church the same way they'd been viewing blood transfusion, but at some point the benefits of organ donation were clear enough to alter the "rules." I'm glad they're finally changing their views on this, but they could have killed my family member if I hadn't insisted they leave, and I won't forget that.

[–] SpruceBringsteen@lemmy.world 198 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Which high up in their church needed a transfusion?

[–] Apeman42@lemmy.world 140 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Oh, don't be so cynical. Maybe one of their elders bought a blood bank.

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 25 points 3 days ago

Yeah, but then they would come up with some internal blessing requirement for donated blood to ensure it stays in network.

[–] Mrkawfee@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I believe!!! That Satan has a hold of you. I believe! That the Lord God has sent me here! And I believe that in 1978 God changed his mind about black people!!

[–] Lyrl@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago

It's kind of interesting how religions handle change in their theology. The Catholics have very few teachings that have been designated "infallible" - almost everything is potentially up for grabs (https://uscatholic.org/articles/201105/is-there-a-list-of-infallible-teachings/). Judaism has a whole thing about "since God gave the Torah to us at Sinai, it is now ours to interpret, and God himself said that we should rule on legal matters by majority vote (Exodus 23:2)" (https://www.mayimachronim.com/not-in-heaven-the-snake-oven-of-akhnai/) I am sure other religions have their own get out of jail cards, too.

[–] Quicky@piefed.social 107 points 3 days ago (8 children)

An old JW boss of mine almost lost his wife during the birth of his first child when she was badly haemorrhaging at home.

I tried asking him about it (a few years after the event) and he was obviously defensive, but the gist was that they wouldn’t have taken a transfusion, and that he would have accepted losing her.

I’m not convinced - I think the decision was more dictated by her than him - but that would have been the end result.

Absolute madness

[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 days ago

Did you tell him his religion is made up dogshit and there is no god?

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[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 45 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Whenever I see stupid shit like JW refusing blood, i'm reminded of the parable of the man in the flood, who keeps getting rescuers coming to him time and time again, only to refuse it all with the declaration that god would save them.. and then they finally die in the flood, and they angerly accost got about why god didnt save him, and god is all like "Fuck you, You fucking idiot. You refused every rescue that came your way. This is your fault for being stupid"

[–] boonhet@lemmy.zip 24 points 2 days ago

I've seen it in the form of a comic or a short story and God literally said "who do you think sent the rescuers" which if you believe in God is kinda how it's supposed to work I believe, rather than God straight up lifting you out if the water

[–] elucubra@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Well, sadly most user manuals for religions, are filled with stupid shit, with the odd exception like "Love thy neighbor" (which apparently has the corollary "but fuck anyone far away enough to not be your neighbor").

[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 77 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Despite the adjustment, the organisation was firm that its longstanding prohibition on whole-blood transfusions has not changed. It anchored the continued ban on its reading of biblical instructions to "abstain from blood," signalling that the shift applies only to the four major components, not to transfusions in their entirety.

People died because of this and now they just go "we looked at the rules again and we think they actually mean something else". What the fuck is this? The Supreme Court?

[–] Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus 37 points 3 days ago (4 children)

and "abstain from blood" in biblical times for sure meant "transfusions" too *head -> desk"

[–] starik@lemmy.today 32 points 3 days ago (1 children)

You forget that God knows all and can see future technology. We’re still waiting for the passage β€œThou shalt not step into thy transporter, for it causeth loss of thy soul” to become relevant.

[–] taiyang@lemmy.world 22 points 3 days ago

I thought it was weird it even had passages about NVidia's DLSS5, but now we know.

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[–] Supervisor194@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

It's stupid. All they had to do was prohibit eating of blood 70 years ago and nobody would have blinked an eye, because that's exactly what the verse meant in its entirety. The whole blood loophole they've done here to save face is meaningless, since whole blood is almost never used except in severe trauma and even then you can use fractions and have a pretty good chance of recovering. A whole lot of people had to die to get here. It sucks.

Ah yes, the god that never changes.

[–] Berlinblades@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

In the US there is more control die to waivers and health insurance etc,but in Ireland my JW Friends have orders to obey the law of the land when it comes to doctrine conflicting with health matters,therefore they will grudgingly accept emergency blood transfusions.

[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 35 points 3 days ago (19 children)

All religions are a form of mental illness. Religion is the greatest threat facing humanity BY FAR.

Because even after our little temporary oil-powered blip of 8 billion people lobbing planes full of bombs at each other collapses, we'll still keep inventing gods to disagree over.

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[–] heliotrope@slrpnk.net 43 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Christianity also updates its Ts&Cs on occasion, like in 2007 when Pope John Paul II had a document commisioned, the publication of which was also authorised by Pope Benedict XVI, that basically said unbaptised children now go to heaven instead of limbo.

[–] Wataba@sh.itjust.works 41 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The Mormon church 'conveniently' decided to change their rhetoric about non-white people being marked by god because of past sin, right around the time of the Civil Rights Movement.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 21 points 3 days ago

They were also firmly disproven by DNA evidence in their claim that native Americans descended from Israelites. Oops.

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[–] Bryllyg@quokk.au 33 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

My great aunt was a JW. She lived a fairly long life but it could have been longer. she refused care at the end because of her beliefs. Unreal the control that religions have over people in the guise of morality and an afterlife. So stupid.

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[–] brem@lemmy.world 34 points 3 days ago

Next up in the news, "Jehovah's Witnesses are going door to door asking for the blood of the innocent."

[–] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago

Christians don't even make themselves eunuchs any more!

What next? Women having the authority to teach? Madness! I miss traditional Christian values.

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 23 points 3 days ago (3 children)

While I despise organized religion, this is a good thing. It'll save lives.

https://www.friendlyatheist.com/p/jehovahs-witnesses-just-gutted-their

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[–] RattlerSix@lemmy.world 18 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Imagine you just watched your child die because they needed a blood transfusion a week ago but it was against your religion.

This is like the story of Onan. His brother died so it was his job to marry his brother's wife and give her a son. But he didn't want to so he "spilled his seed." So God killed him for failing to do his duty and provide her a son.

But later when God gave his laws for people to follow, the punishment was not death, it was to take him in front of the town elders and "remove a sandal from his foot and spit in his face." Like c'mon. What are we even doing here, folks?

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[–] yermaw@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 days ago

Is this another of Satan's temptations?

[–] elucubra@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 days ago

I wonder if they are using AI for their revisions now.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Aaahhh, so god visited somebody to give this great news? We love in the times where there are cameras everywhere, so where is the video of this momentous event?

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