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Proposed KDE LLM guidelines (invent.kde.org)
submitted 1 month ago by e8d79@discuss.tchncs.de to c/techtakes@awful.systems
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Putting shit in your food is OK as long as it is only a little bit of shit and you can't immediately taste it.

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[–] Kiriko@awful.systems 18 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (6 children)

Always fence-sitting, I'm so tired of the current KDE leadership, I'm genuinely stopping my donations now.

"Hey KDE, Framework supports Nazis, can you not collaborate with them?"

Nope sorry, we need the money for our AI experiments, we will put their logo on all our pages now and will beg them to pre-install us on their overpriced laptops. We love our LGBT community though, we made the latest mascot trans! Please forget that we accept money from people that want you dead!

Slimbook, donates to or supports Omarchy, and still has ads on kde.org https://slimbook.com/en/blog/guides-2/post/introduction-to-omarchy-484

Framework wants to preinstall Fedora KDE and KDE and Fedora leaders are super excited about it:

“It's really exciting to see this device become the first Framework device to ship with KDE and Plasma software. We have put a lot of effort into making sure our software is fun to use with touch and pen input.” - Aleix Pol, President of KDE e.V.

https://frame.work/blog/framework-laptop-12-now-with-core-series-3

There's just no backbone, everything's about money money money and money. All it will take is an Anthropic or OpenAI sponsorship for whatever mild AI guidelines to get repealed.

What's the alternative anymore? Cosmic is made by a hardware company, I have 0 trust in that. All it'll take is a loss in profits for it to be abandoned. XFCE is full in on AI. LXQT is okay with AI contributions. Cinnamon moves way too slowly and has no opinion on AI. Gnome told Framework to kick rocks and has some strict anti-AI policies in some places but if I wanted a worse MacOS, I'd use MacOS. All the window managers are too barebones and the GUIs on top are all vibecoded. DankMaterialShell? Vibecoded. Noctalia? Vibecoded. Hyprland is naziware. Quickshell? vibecoded. Qt itself has AI assistants in its IDE.

So really what's the alternative? Windows and Mac are also vibecoded. Firefox and Chrome are also vibecoded. Even programming languages and compilers are being vibecoded.

[–] rozodru@piefed.world 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

this is why the "year of the linux desktop" is never going to happen. This past year, hell the past few months, have shown why it won't happen. The Linux community is divided and will never agree with each other.

On the one side you have people who are anti-AI and advocates for pure FOSS. generally this is the user. On the other side you have people who are open to AI, or straight up pro AI and while they are all about FOSS will never hesitate to accept money for their projects. This is pretty much the devs and maintainers.

So it's not going to happen and if anything is going to drive the current userbase away from Linux and embrace a new userbase that simply either doesn't care or is unaware. Look at Omarchy. that's exactly their target demographic. As for the current userbase when the options become more and more limited then where do you go? to one of the BSDs? Haiku? something else? The problem is a fully embraced AI ecosystem is a sloppy one. After reading that Omarchy "made" their own kernel last night I decided to install that on an SSD to check out. I lasted all of 30minutes before I wiped the drive. It's a mess. an absolute mess. But it's one that is being embraced by a group that many current linux users don't agree with and that userbase is growing, and growing quickly.

I'm in the process of ditching linux. It's not for me anymore. it's not fun anymore. and while people can say "well just ignore the politics behind whatever project and just use whatever you want" that might be easy for some people with weak morals and ethics but I'm not like that. I can't. so I won't.

And to go back to your last point of "what to use" I currently starting to daily drive OpenBSD using CTWM. not great, but it works for what I need. It's a sad state of affairs that in the current landscape I have to go back to a WM from the early 90s that I KNOW won't be vibecoded any time soon if at all.

[–] YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems 8 points 1 month ago

I usually have some sympathy for the dev/maintainer side of FOSS since it is very real work and passion doesn't exactly pay the bills, but the proliferation of AI nonsense is deeply disheartening. At best it shows how narrow of a band these people select from, since even among programmers and software nerds, pro-AI sentiment seems tied to a specific subgroup. Less charitably it shows how the FOSS movement has been fully captured by the corporate interests who always saw it as a source of free labor first.

[–] kevinrns@mstdn.social 2 points 1 month ago

@Kiriko @e8d79

KDE project must REMOVE the KDE admin group completely, vote them out. Remove their passwords.

KDE devs, remove and replace KDE admistration.

#KDE #election #admin

[–] alter_unicorn@masto.bike 2 points 1 month ago

@Kiriko @e8d79 thanks for the heads-up. I was two months from buying they expensive NAS.
I guess I'll stick with plan B: lots of Inexpensive Disks©, recycled PC and NetBSD (+ a donation to free software projects that are still made by humans, like NetBSD (or any other animal that learns to type text)).

[–] Kangae_Hishiryo@scribe.disroot.org 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

TDE is a good fork of KDE that I don't think that permits AI.

If it doesn't have a clear stance, I can try to ask them politely to add one, using the Open Slopware's template.

If they refuse, I'll fork them and post it in every anti-AI group I know so anyone knows about it and can contribute.

[–] Kangae_Hishiryo@scribe.disroot.org 1 points 1 month ago

Oof, I just looked at their repo and it has this plan to adding an AGENTS.md file, although it looks like they actively look into openly disclosing it.

I'll anyways reach to them, though, maybe I can make a difference. Please, come to help me with it. If not, as I said, I'll hard-fork it, as it looks as it's currently untainted because it doesn't has any "AGENTS.md" atm.

[–] Philip@social.simplexity.quest -2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I think Framework is good and they made a mistake supporting Omarchy last year or whenever it was

[–] o7___o7@awful.systems 2 points 1 month ago

Just a smol oopsie doodle

[–] Kiriko@awful.systems 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

That whole thread right now is awful. Just awful.

It looks like only 2-3 KDE devs pushback and the rest are thumbs-uping pro-AI points. Claims that LLMs are fine for the environment... Then someone got exposed for racism and misogyny among many other -isms and they claim that some of the participants in that discussion LIKE those posts... YIKES. It all makes sense why they are dying on the framework hill.

[–] pianoplant@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Ok I'm not disagreeing with your point but in case you didn't know that's exactly how the food industry works. Every step of the supply chain is allowed up to a certain percent of contaminant and as long as nobody notices its "ok". (If you like dairy don't look up what kinds of contaminants find there way in...)

[–] mawhrin@awful.systems 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

you're an american, aren't you?

[–] mawhrin@awful.systems 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

(this is not how food safety regulations work here.)

[–] pianoplant@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)
[–] mawhrin@awful.systems 7 points 1 month ago (2 children)

you will note that your summary of the regulation is quite disingenuous. establishing the maximum level of contaminants is not an approval, specifically your claim that every step of the supply chain is allowed up to a certain percent of contaminant and as long as nobody notices its “ok” is an obvious malinterpretation.

[–] mawhrin@awful.systems 10 points 1 month ago

specifically, compare your wording with the specific wording from the regulation:

Maximum levels

Food with levels of contaminants higher than those specified in Annex I to the regulation may not be sold. These maximum levels cover the edible part of food and also apply to compound, processed, dried or diluted foods, taking into account the appropriate processing factors.

The regulation also lays down the lowest maximum levels for contaminants that are reasonably achievable with good manufacturing practice or good agricultural practice (i.e. ‘as low as reasonably achievable’).

Ban on mixing

Foods complying with the maximum limits may not be mixed with other foods that exceed these limits.

Foods that must be sorted or subjected to other physical treatments to reduce the level of contamination may not be mixed with foods intended for direct human consumption or use as an ingredient in food.

there's no reason for your blatant fearmongering.

[–] pianoplant@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I usually just lurk on Lemmy, but I've been making an effort to try and comment more and thought I had something interesting to share in this case. No motive beyond that. I'm sorry it seems to have affected you in a way I did not intend.

[–] mawhrin@awful.systems 6 points 1 month ago

sigh.