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[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 106 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

The problem is that an upvote and a downvote completely lack context.

Racism is bad: true

Physical violence is worse than verbal violence IF all else is equal : true

Therefore....

Physical racism is worse than verbal racism.

But physical violence is not necessarily worse than verbal racism. This is why context matters.

And that's why it's ok to punch Nazis.

[–] Donkter@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

Yes, when I see posts identical to this it's usually in the context of "left wing antifa violence is more common than right wing violence." Which makes me wary enough of this post already.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Reddit votes are about relevance not agreement.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

I dunno. I would often downvote things I thought were stupid. They were relevant, but wrong and dumb.

[–] okwhateverdude@lemmy.world 49 points 4 weeks ago (3 children)

How to spot the racist? They try to draw a distinction here.

[–] running_ragged@lemmy.world 23 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

They just want to make the words acceptable today so they can pre-justify the violence tomorrow.

[–] OwOarchist@pawb.social 5 points 4 weeks ago

But then watch them hurry to say that words aren't acceptable as soon as you mention words like 'Palestine' and 'guillotine'.

[–] nymnympseudonym@piefed.social 11 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

The overlap between edgelords and racists is significant

[–] OwOarchist@pawb.social 4 points 4 weeks ago

The edgelord circle is almost entirely inside the racist circle.

There's only a precarious few edgelords out there who aren't racist, but there are lots of racists who aren't edgelords about it.

[–] BurgerBaron@quokk.au 1 points 3 weeks ago

While deliberately failing to acknowledge racism leads to violence.

[–] yeahiknow3@lemmy.dbzer0.com 38 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

This is like saying “murder is bad.”

  • Murder is usually defined as an illegal killing. However, many legal killings are bad and many illegal killings are good. For example, it was illegal to kill Nazis in Germany circa 1940, but it wasn’t immoral.

Context.

[–] kolmaskommentoija@sopuli.xyz 3 points 3 weeks ago

Oh, how I wish I could argue, that all killings are immoral. But this is a shitty world.

[–] QueenHawlSera@piefed.social 20 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

Punch Nazis every day. Remember Fascists are not people.

It's kinda like the paradox of tolerance, the moment you're intolerant you lose people being tolerant of you.

The second you start unpersonining people, you become an unperson.

[–] kolmaskommentoija@sopuli.xyz 4 points 3 weeks ago

are not people

I will argue, that they are people, and that is, what makes it even worse. Punch them without hesitation. Just remember, that we are people too, and we could become like them.

[–] Macchi_the_Slime@piefed.blahaj.zone -2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm just waiting for some genius to come and try to "iamverysmart" you and be like "Aren't you being hypocritical by saying the fascists aren't people?" just completely missing the point, LMAO.

[–] zergtoshi@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] Macchi_the_Slime@piefed.blahaj.zone 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Oh I know, that's the "Completely missing the point" part. I'm saying I can't wait for some member of the brain trust to try to argue hypocrisy when it's not hypocritical at all.

[–] zergtoshi@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

My point is: I don't even waste time with asking whether or not fascists are people (dehumanizing people is a different sort of hole you don't want to fall into, lest you turn into what you strive to fight...).
Fascists are a prime example of the Paradox of Tolerance and have to be treated accordingly.
You're right, but I suggest: don't get trapped in side issues ;)

[–] tomi000@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago

OP, are you complaining here that Reddit downvoted you for saying someone punching a Nazi is worse than a Nazi?

[–] frustrated_phagocytosis@fedia.io 11 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

It's much easier to commit violence against a person you consider to be subhuman the way racists do. Same for 'misogyny is bad but violence worse' like people who consider women property aren't violent against them.

[–] PattyMcB@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

Not all violence is physical

[–] ceenote@lemmy.world 10 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

This gives charlie Kirk vibes

[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 weeks ago

I'm sure he said something equivalent while he wasn't dead.

[–] db2@lemmy.world 6 points 4 weeks ago

It's reddit. 🤷

[–] MutantTailThing@lemmy.world 6 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Yes, but what about racist violence?

[–] ignotum@lemmy.world 8 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Minus and minus is plus, i learned that in maffs

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 2 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)
[–] Sibshops@feddit.cl 5 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Ah the old "Racisism is bad, but it's not that bad so that makes it okay."

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

"I can excuse the racism but I can not excuse them being late with the fresh made at the table guacamole again"

[–] PattyMcB@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

Sounds are physical movements that strike your eardrum (unless we're talking bone induction). Loud enough sounds (words) can also be physical violence.

(Seriously, though. Emotional violence is a thing, and it's bad too)

[–] dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

racism is peaceful and nonviolent? What are lynchings? Just racists doing peaceful non violent racism? Why reward thinking lynchings aren't a real racist occurrence that still happens by upvoting that dumb comment?

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 5 points 3 weeks ago

This is bullshit, since racism leads to violence.

[–] bequirtle@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

no-context screenshot = assume downvotes are justified

[–] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Unless said words are ~~"they are eating the dogs the people that came in there,"~~ "they are eating the dogs, the people that came in there," in which case it incites, somehow succesfully, acts of physical violence against other races.

[–] Derpenheim@lemmy.zip 4 points 3 weeks ago

"they are eating the dogs the people that came in there"

I would buy a punctuation, Pat

[–] le_throosh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

"Actual violence" thats what the downvotes are about.

[–] yermaw@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 weeks ago

Also im pretty sure the phrase "actual violence" in any context gets you a 3 week ban.

Appeal that ban? Permaban.

[–] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone -1 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

⚠️ Reported

Fact: this is not a shitpost

Fact: American Spotted

[–] PattyMcB@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

Wait... are you saying you're a racist from somewhere other than the US?

[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The fight against racism feels bad in America, but it feels overwhelming when foreigners ignorantly declare “Racism? That’s just an American thing! We don’t exhibit any of that here! Nosir!”

If anything, Americans just have a mantra of making their historical flaws known.

[–] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 0 points 3 weeks ago