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a million pieces/segments sneering at hasan piker and the co-chair of the DSA, meanwhile a republican congressional candidate in upstate new york named peter oberacker is the grandson of an actual nazi germany soldier and his former staffer was part of the 'i love hitler' young GOP group chat

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[–] ConHoliousDonFrankle@lemmy.world 80 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Should everyone be proud of where they come from? Probably not.

[–] OldChicoAle@lemmy.world 43 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I don't think being proud of your ancestry or heritage should be the default setting. In fact, we should look back with a critical view and criticize where we should and learn where appropriate. Humans tend to suck, you know? So we should acknowledge that and not ignore the faults of our nature.

[–] TheJesusaurus@piefed.ca 15 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Thing is, you could very easily be a very proud German AND proud of your family and still say "yeah, I'm not so proud of my country and family between 1939 and 1945"

[–] Saryn@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

It's not about isolating and ranking historical events or periods tied to whatever nation-state ideology you were brought up with. It's about questioning the authority and functions of nation-state narratives in the first place. And realizing that ugliness is often borne out of the most seemingly banal things ever.

Being proud of your randomly assigned geography and demography can and has come with some good. But it's nothing compared to the ugliness it causes.

[–] architect@thelemmy.club 2 points 1 week ago

I don’t really understand how, personally. I’m not proud of my family at all. I am American, but I am a first generation immigrant, and my family is Belgian and they are responsible for genocide and I mean they have in Belgium in their homes a Massive collection of stuff from the Congo. When I was younger, I didn’t understand what all of that ivory and everything else meant. But when I got older, I learned where it had come from. I’m not proud of that. I’m not proud of my family. I’m not proud of a thing they fucking did in the past.

I don’t really understand how any American right now could be proud of America considering where we are at.

I don’t understand, how German can be proud of themselves. It’s not been long enough. And while my own countries have been a fucked up places. I also saw what the Germans did to Belgium. My family never forgot that and we haven’t forgiven. I don’t understand why anyone fucking should.

Now I don’t believe any person or country should be proud of anything. Elon Musk didn’t make all his money because of America. That took nearly the entire world’s leadership to do. And they are collective of all of us. So I’m not sure what there is to be proud of anymore.

[–] raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

No you could not. Being "a proud " means outing oneself as a dimwitted loser with no accomplishments of one's own.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 5 points 1 week ago

A lot of people came to America because where they was was so shitty, that even a wilderness like America looked good.

[–] TheJesusaurus@piefed.ca 49 points 1 week ago

It's almost like their morality is just another tool they'll use or cast aside as needed whenever it's politically expedient or something.

[–] jtrek@startrek.website 41 points 1 week ago

Conservatives are bad people. That's it.

[–] BigMacHole@thelemmy.club 27 points 1 week ago (1 children)

We SALUTE and HONOR Nazis!

-JEW LOVERS according to AIPAC!

AIPAC doesn't care who the supporters are, just that they support them. Much like the "Fighters for the Freedom of Israel" were Zionists who wanted to get the British out of Palestine and found a Jewish state by teaming with the NAZI's and having them send the Jews to their cause. Turns out the NAZI's just didn't care to listen to them.

[–] dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

We've seen this kind of thing before. This is the Southern Lost Cause propaganda strategy as applied to Nazi Germany.

If you've never been exposed to "The Lost Cause" in school, or haven't yet come to realize what that really means, I urge you to read up on it now.. It wears a thin veil of well-reasoned, even compassionate dialogue, but conveniently leaves out the bigger picture of why and what prompted all this in the first place. Those deploying this kind of speech are like a housecat: rolling over and displaying their belly while seemingly "taking the L", but are actually poised to harm by quietly aligning themselves with the Cause's original narrative.

While we're a far cry from erecting bronze statues and renaming streets in the name of Nazism, I caution everyone to identify this kind of speech wherever you see it. So, stamp it out, decry it as revisionist, and don't let up. Render it impolite, uncouth, and socially unacceptable in any context. Unchecked, this kind of thing slowly creeps in, eventually worming its way into textbooks and everyday chit-chat.

[–] TR3@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Most what I learn from the USA nowadays is very negative and it seems that some people are totally off the rails over there.

It seems that the general quality of living is way worse than in EU.

Is the reality as bad as the news and these kinds of statements make it look like? We have higher taxes but good quality schools and healthcare is included. How is America average buying power after those?

It is very worrying that a country that often has been viewed as the lighthouse of the western culture seems to struggle so much.

[–] barooboodoo@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 week ago

Honestly, I'd imagine it's pretty similar to the EU. Your living experience varies drastically state to state and even city to city. Some cities/states prioritize education, infrastructure, healthcare, etc. and some don't. General political views seem to be the major difference between the EU and the US, from what I've heard, most of the "left" here would be considered center or center-right over there. I've only briefly visited the EU so many of you probably have a much better answer than me and I welcome any corrections.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 week ago

Yes, USA is an miserable shithole. Personally I've been making long term plans to move to EU. Cities like Madrid, Barcelona, Paris, etc. They are like utopia compared to the fucking parking lot society that I live in.

[–] tmyakal@infosec.pub 6 points 1 week ago

In August 2026, an old post made by Oberacker resurfaced. The post, from 2015, was a Veterans Day memorial post for his grandfather, who died in the Battle of the Bulge fighting for Nazi Germany. Oberacker, who had served on the state Senate’s Republican antisemitism working group, came under fire for the post. Oberacker later said, "Looking at it through the prism of today, totally different story. Having been on the antisemitism task force for the Senate Republicans, I would look at it a little bit differently now."

Oh, he'd look at it differently now. He didn't say he shouldn't have made the post, or that he wouldn't do it again. Just that he'd squint a little harder, I guess.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago
[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 week ago

Fascism isn't widely recognized or condemned from within a fascist society.

[–] Nomad@infosec.pub 5 points 1 week ago

Hate to break it to you, most Germans grandparents were at least collaborators. The NSDAP r member cards opened my eyes who of my family was a member. My beloved aunt for. example was a member.

[–] Cris_Citrus@piefed.zip 5 points 1 week ago

What happened with the co-chair of the DSA?

[–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

All the troops.

Though at least the “other” troops in The Office’s scenario could have been described as defensive.

[–] socsa@piefed.social 3 points 1 week ago

Literally a bit from the Office

[–] jumping_redditor@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 week ago (4 children)

all military people are evil, and those that offer military discounts to only some militaries are worst of all

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

i mean that's definitely an equally hot take. i'll admit i shared it until i made friends with a radiologist. didn't realize he was serving at the local military hospital until after we'd become best buds, but i'm not too big to admit when i'm wrong.

[–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 3 points 1 week ago

You expected moustache twirling and kitten slaughter?

The evil of soldiers is banal.

[–] mulcahey@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

I never thought about that... If you offer a "military discount" should anyone who served in any armed force for any nation be able to claim it? That's an interesting idea...

[–] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

My grandfather was drafted and fought, he was worth 10 of you.

[–] Cris_Citrus@piefed.zip 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

There were former military in the black panthers. The military is an institution that exploits the poor and subjects them to moral injury in the name of imperialism- people who participate in it must do the labor to un-fuck their heads after, but those who have truly seen the belly of the beast and what horrors it would offer can be incredibly valuable allies.

[–] Ioughttamow@fedia.io 1 points 1 week ago

I’m sure he only means the white kind of soldier

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